Savage: Impeach Bush over immigration plan

WND ^ | 1-12-04 | N/A

[arm958]

I always considered him a part of the far right.

Label him if you want (just like a democrat would), but Savage was very supportive of President Bush for a long time after 9/11/2001. He's grown disenchanted, as have I. Care to put a label on me?

[riri]

Is he anti-Christian?

He is very far from being anti-Christian. He speaks of God often. You will often hear him defending Christians and pointing out that Christians are being persecuted. He quotes the bible often.

Despite the inflamatory approach, which for some reason I feel he thinks he needs, he is a very educated and insightful man. Very intelligent. Knows his history, science, has written many books on epidemiology, has a Phd, a couple of masters and his work was cited in at least one Harvard Medical Journal.

Ofcourse, all the wizards of tolerance, diversity and kkol aid flavors try to discredit him. Can't go against the pack. Baaaah.

[Modernman]

I wonder if Bush would have felt more obliged to play a conservative if no 9/11 in order to ward off a primary challenge.

I give his domestic policy maybe a C or C+. I like the tax cuts, but am not a fan of much else. He hasn't used the veto at all and he listens too much to the politicos in his administration when it comes to policy (steel tariffs=votes in Ohio, drug bill=old people votes).

This is a foreign policy administration. Anybody who thinks the top issues these days are domestic spending bills is deluding themselves.

WOT is going well. Unemployment is down. Stock market is up. I think all these things add up to a Bush re-election in 2004.

[arm958]

No president has enforced the borders against illegals in the last 20 years. That's not exactly "an invasion." Anyway, these people are working here, aren't they? They're keeping your vegetable prices low.

I thought you were being sarcastic, but you're not. Enjoy your low vegetable prices as our culture dies.

[Spiff]

Wonder how he felt about Reagan in '86?Is he always this extreme?

Is it inconceivable that we should have learned from Reagan's mistake? Or are we doomed to repeat such mistakes, over and over again, and reap the consequences?

[jim35]

"...BUSH IS A LIBERAL. Deal with it..."

Yeah, we'll be MUCH better off with one of the 9 dwarves leading the nation, won't we? Then we won't have that LIBERAL GW espousing his anti-abortion views, or his anti-affirmative action policies, or his tax cuts, or his silly Christian values, or his war on terrorism, or any of his other LIBERAL policies. We'll have something much better, right? A total surrender to the democrat party. Wow, you guys are so smart, you're so far over my head in your strategy, that I can't even see how this is a good thing. Now, where did I leave those smart pills?

[AbsoluteJustice]

"If the plan doesn't get voted on, or gets voted down, will you still pout like a schoolboy and not voted for Bush?

Or will you, as I suspect, find some other reason to vote against him?"

Let me make this quite clear to you.
Immigration is my #1 ho spot or key issue.
It lights a fire in me like no other issue can and to me IS A SINGLE #1 issue.

Without it there is no America and my 5 years in the Marines were all for not if this is let by. If this is not SERIOUSLY reformed and this bill is passed WITHOUT backing up the border with the National guard and I mean by the THOUSANDS then yes I will vote against Bush. This is not a conservative position and not what I signed up for.

[Sabertooth]

One thing many FReepers are not, especially the anti-immigrant crowd on these threads, is Christian.

Care to flesh that out a little?

Define "anti-immigrant crowd."

Explain how you ascertain whether or not they are Christian, and how you do that for Freepers in general, as well.

Thanks.

[exmarine]

No president has enforced the borders against illegals in the last 20 years. That's not exactly "an invasion." Anyway, these people are working here, aren't they? They're keeping your vegetable prices low.

You are right to a degree. However, no one expects a democrat to do the right thing. Bush touts himself as a man of integrity, a Christian, a conservative. But his actions say otherwise. Ike deported 1 million illegals in "Operation Wetback." These people are BREAKING THE LAW. The U.S. govt. enforces the laws it wants and ignores the rest. We are a nation of laws, not men. Selective enforcement of laws is a form of TYRANNY.

Something's got to be done, and he's making an attempt, short of deporting 10 million people, which the American people WILL NOT STAND FOR.

I firmly believe that the best way to ensure his re-election is to ENFORCE our sovereignty at the border! I guarantee you that MOST Americans want border enforcement.

[Modernman]

It's all about Mexican oil. If Fox shuts off the taps, we are in deep tapioca (or worse).

If Fox shuts off the taps, Mexico goes broke. Oil is fungible- if Fox refuses to sell Mexican oil to the US, so what? That oil goes into an international market, and buyers get their oil out of that market. The oil weapon is kind of a myth.

[Centurion2000]

GREAT PLAN :))

[m18436572]

It was W's daddy. I can't remember where I read it, but he said that at the time he thought it was the right thing to do, and I think it was in regards to giving Saddam WMDs.

[m1-lightning]

LOL! "Liberaltarians" HA HA

[exmarine]

Yeah, we'll be MUCH better off with one of the 9 dwarves leading the nation, won't we? Then we won't have that LIBERAL GW espousing his anti-abortion views, or his anti-affirmative action policies, or his tax cuts, or his silly Christian values, or his war on terrorism, or any of his other LIBERAL policies. We'll have something much better, right? A total surrender to the democrat party. Wow, you guys are so smart, you're so far over my head in your strategy, that I can't even see how this is a good thing. Now, where did I leave those smart pills?

Anti-affirmative action? NOT! Bush supported SCOTUS' Univ. of Michigan decision that GRANTED racial quotas; his war on terrorism - you mean the one where he refused to identify the the true enemy - "islamic" terrorists; Christian values? Including the value that prompted him to praise a gay church (Metropolitan church); anti-abortion? Yes, he is anti-abortion. But I don't see any bold moves here to save lives or start a Constitutional Amendment against Abortion - the partial birth abortion bill was dead in the courts the day after it was signed and I don't see anyone fighting actively and vocally for the unborn in the Bush Administration - they seem to be too concerned about offending someone, and Ashcroft merely says he will enforce whatever law is on the books regardless of how bad that law is, and many of his court nominees are not all that conservative that I can see; Tax cuts were Good! - but, then Bush inexplicably signed the biggeset welfare bill in decades - big disconnect there. His policies on education are jmust more of the same big government type policies, and passage of the Patriot Act and CFR were constitutional atrocities!

[BigSkyFreeper]

This only confirms what I've known all along. Savage is a far right winged kook.

[m1-lightning]

One thing many FReepers are not, especially the anti-immigrant crowd on these threads, is Christian.

did you mean anti-immigrant or anti-illegal immigrant? Clarify that please.

[BibChr]

What an idiot. Clinton could not be removed in spite of THINGS he has DONE. Savage wants Bush removed because of A PLAN he has PROPOSED.

Pinhead-with-a-mike alert!

Dan

[jetson]

I wonder what states these freepers are from that are bad mouthing Savage. I bet they are not from California, New Mexico or Arizona.

[Texas_Dawg]

did you mean anti-immigrant or anti-illegal immigrant? Clarify that please.

I have had numerous FReepers tell me they are opposed to immigration entirely.

[hedgetrimmer]

You should listen to the speeches that he made in Monterrey Mexico, at the Summit of the Americas yesterday. You will see what the white house tells the American people, and the things they tell the rest of the world are completely different.

He began one speech by addressing the audience as fellow "citizens of the world". Now where have we heard that before? He also pledged to help "our" citizens meaning the citizens of the 34 members 'states' of the OAS, organization of American States. The OAS is set up to be our new 'congress' once all the borders are opened and US sovereignty will be a thing of the past. Everything that was said at the summit, everything the white house is trying to do right now is the effect of business interests running the government and citizen rights (US citizens) being removed or ignored. These are not benign activities to help keep America great, they are calculated activities by international business interests to remake the world into global socialism and transferring the customary powers of citizenship to the corporate interests that set up the Summit of the Americas and the OAS.

Educate yourself about the future.

http://www.oas.org/main/english/

http://www.oas.org/main/main.asp?sLang=E&sLink=../../documents/eng/oasinbrief.asp

The Special Summit of the Americas that begins later today will focus on three topics: combating poverty, promoting social development and strengthening democratic governance. “Those are not theoretical topics,” Ambassador Miguel Ruiz-Cabañas of Mexico told the news conference, adding that the debates among the presidents and prime ministers will affect the lives of all citizens of the Americas.