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ZOT: How Do We End The War On Drugs?
about.com ^ | Andrew Somers

Posted on 01/04/2004 10:44:31 AM PST by patdor

Once we understand that the War on Drugs is an abject failure, the question arises, what can we do? What is the solution for ending the drug war?

The answer is very simple.

The core issues of crime and other social ills of the drug war come directly from the black market, not the drugs themselves. The black market is created by, and in fact encouraged by, the socio-economic effects of prohibition (called the “War On Drugs”).

As a result, the cure can only come by ending prohibition. But ending prohibition does not mean a sudden "free for all" of "legalization".

When alcohol prohibition was repealed, it was replaced by regulations and tax statutes that restricted distribution and maintained purity and dose (alcohol content by percentage). It also placed the methods of regulation for sale to the public largely in the hands of local and state governments, where it rightly belongs.

As a nation we are a very diverse culture. The values and cultural heritage of the east are different from the south and are quite different from the values of the west. The result is that federal level recreational substance laws fail in their ignorance of underlying social issues that are highly variable across the nation.

In other words, each state and locality should be afforded their own means of dealing with issues relating to drug abuse.

Thus, ending drug prohibition will be handled much like the end of alcohol prohibition - with the strict regulation and taxation of the manufacture, distribution, and sale of recreational substances.

The model of alcohol

For instance, comparative analysis of even the most pessimistic studies of marijuana show it to be safer and more benign than alcohol. Therefore it’s easy to see marijuana regulations mirroring those for beer and wine.

Hard alcohol is regulated more strictly than beer and wine, and certainly there are substances that should receive stricter regulation than marijuana. Soft drugs such as MDMA (Ecstasy), Psilocybin (Mushrooms), and Peyote, would need stricter regulation - along the lines of hard alcohol, which has significant restrictions on public use and distribution.

The very hardest of recreational substances, (i.e. the drugs with the highest physiological addiction rates, such as cocaine and heroin), would be regulated and distributed only by the government and directly to users. This distribution would seriously undercut, and virtually end, the black market for these drugs. This would greatly discourage the creation of new drug addicts.

It’s important to consider this last aspect of ending prohibition most thoroughly. It is the demonized “hard drug” user that the prohibitionists point to when declaring that the drug war must be continued.

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To: Pahuanui
'a dance' is out of the question huh ...
61 posted on 01/04/2004 12:16:54 PM PST by _Jim ( <--- Ann Coulter speaks on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: rebelyell
Stand the same as I always have. Despise the entire illegal drug scene, including users and pushers, but also oppose the government's walking all over the constitution to combat it. Oppose no knock raids, asset forfeiture, snooping into bank accounts, etc.
62 posted on 01/04/2004 12:22:40 PM PST by Jim Robinson (No man's life, liberty, or property are safe while the congress is in session. ~ Mark Twain)
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To: patdor
Exactly how far do you believe the state should go in regulating personal morality comrade.

Far enough to discourage drug abuse, Cheech.

63 posted on 01/04/2004 12:25:43 PM PST by GLDNGUN (.)
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To: Jim Robinson
"Stand the same as I always have. Despise the entire illegal drug scene, including users and pushers, but also oppose the government's walking all over the constitution to combat it. Oppose no knock raids, asset forfeiture, snooping into bank accounts, etc."

That is a verbatim transcript of the way I feel. By the way, Jim, Malaysia passed a law that the use and sale of illegal drugs carries the death penalty(with the exception of marijuana..you get a year for that). I know some people might consider this draconian, but I worked like a charm.And the crime rate in Malaysia is very low. happy New year!!
Best regards, IA
64 posted on 01/04/2004 12:37:40 PM PST by international american
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To: Pahuanui
In all your stupifying remarks concerning racism (how did THAT word get into the drug legalization debate?), might I ask if you consider homophobia to be a form of racism?
65 posted on 01/04/2004 1:35:35 PM PST by Windsong
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To: Reagan Man
Increased law enforcement efforts are the answer.

Right, let's give them even MORE power over us, and even MORE control over every aspect of our lives. It's for our own good, and besides the government needs more employees to look over us. (rolling eyes)


66 posted on 01/04/2004 1:57:06 PM PST by unixfox (Close the borders, problems solved!)
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To: _Jim
"If I have an editor whom makes tainted or poor decisions, if I have a co-worker who can't function, if I have a supervisor who can't function, if I have an employee who can't function because they are jacking around with drugs, then I am a victim of their drug use."

If the employer has an agreement with his employees that they will remain drug-free, then the statement above is true, in that the employer is a victim of fraud or a breach of contract. In such a case, the solution is much simpler than waging a war on drugs - just fire the employees who violated the policy. In regards to co-workers or supervisors, if the company has a policy against drug use, then report them. If the company does not, then go find another job. You'll put yourself one step ahead of the game, because your employer won't be in business very long if he only employs burnouts anyway.

67 posted on 01/04/2004 2:03:21 PM PST by Voice in your head ("The secret of Happiness is Freedom, and the secret of Freedom, Courage." - Thucydides)
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To: unixfox
More law enforcement is the answer, starting with increasing the size of the HLS border patrol. That would help to keep the borders sealed and keep criminals like illegal aliens, terrorists and drug smugglers out of the US.
68 posted on 01/04/2004 2:15:13 PM PST by Reagan Man (The few, the proud, the conservatives.)
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To: Cultural Jihad
How Do We End The War On Drugs?

The re-legalization of drugs will happen right after pornography, obscenity, blasphemy, abortion, fornication, adultery, homosexuality, promiscuity, and perversion are re-banned.

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There is a place like this on the planet,
it is called MECCA, Saudi Arabia.

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If world governments worked together on illegal drugs and aids as they are with Mad Cow, then illegal drugs and aids would not be a topic these days.

Having said that, illegal drugs are a great source for untraceable/nontaxable cash.

My guess is the illegal drug business is controlled by a hidden global cartel with the drug war as a media side show for the public, good for employment and a profit center business.

Some how illegal drugs just
keep on coming across the border
like illegal aliens.

Case in point 1: Bumper year for Afghan poppies!

Afghanistan poppies with the greatest
military in the world running
the show there! Duh!!!

Case in point 2: THE RESUMÉ OF MANUEL NORIEGA!

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So let's take a look how many people will be out of work if all above was illegal.

Pornography:
Millions of layoffs here.
Strange how this business threads
itself into many industries

Obscenity:
Howard Stern! Hilton and Ritchie!

Blasphemy:
Louis Farrakhan?

Abortion:
Communist Doctors and staff.

Fornication:
This is good.

Adultery:
Divorce lawyers, Family psychiatry

Homosexuality:
BIG BUSINESS HERE!
The selling of a the homo-culture.
Huge growth industry from aids medication
to makeup/Hollywood to marriage.
Corporations love the homo business.

Promiscuity:
TV Shows

Perversion:
See Homosexuality

Americans put their lives on the line to defeat the evils of Nazi German and Japan in 1941 to 1945 for a better world that only lasted till 1962

Since 1962, politicians/lawyers have adjusted our laws creating a vast gray area between good and evil.

I find it amazing that it took America 4 years to defeat the evils of WW2. However, in 35 years of the drug war, America and its allies can't defeat the evils do'ers who control the creation and distibution of illegal drugs.

Maybe William Shakespeare was right
about lawyers after all.


69 posted on 01/04/2004 2:35:39 PM PST by Major_Risktaker
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To: Ecliptic
Think the drug lords in South America or Asia will stop selling drugs in this country just because they have competition from the government?

Is Al Capone still selling whiskey?
70 posted on 01/04/2004 3:01:52 PM PST by SkyRat (If privacy wasn't of value, we wouldn't have doors on bathrooms.)
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To: patdor
Funny how you come here thinking you can solve a social problem as complex as drug abuse but can't even adhere to simple forum rules.
71 posted on 01/04/2004 3:37:25 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: Major_Risktaker
If employment is all that is important, then moral-liberals should also advocate for the legalization of child-prostitution. You are correct, though, in that immorality generates more than just unneeded suffering and death; it also generates money and those who advocate it are right behind, scooping it up.
72 posted on 01/04/2004 3:42:33 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: _Jim
My feeling is you're just one more doper who felt badly singed after reading that short little screed.

Of course you do. You're too thick to know when you've been left charred and blackened.

To the stupid, anyone who disagrees with their position on legalization must be a de facto user of illegal drugs.

73 posted on 01/04/2004 3:48:13 PM PST by Pahuanui (When a foolish man hears of the Tao, he laughs out loud)
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To: _Jim
'a dance' is out of the question huh ...

Intellectually, I don't consider dancing with someone who is in the equivalent of a wheelchair.

Just not sporting, you see.

74 posted on 01/04/2004 3:49:40 PM PST by Pahuanui (When a foolish man hears of the Tao, he laughs out loud)
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To: Windsong
In all your stupifying remarks concerning racism (how did THAT word get into the drug legalization debate?), might I ask if you consider homophobia to be a form of racism?

A. Even the most peripheral, cosmetic review of the history of prohibition movements and legislation in the US clearly shows the racism inherent to those behind them.
B. No, I don't consider homophobia to be a form of racism.

Do you consider a sprinkler system to be a form of automobile?

75 posted on 01/04/2004 3:51:54 PM PST by Pahuanui (When a foolish man hears of the Tao, he laughs out loud)
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To: Pahuanui
My my - a vicious little bastard eh?

Well, when you begin to 'pull your weight' on this site MAYBE you can be entitled to an attitude like that.

Till then reward us with silence - okay?

76 posted on 01/04/2004 4:07:56 PM PST by _Jim ( <--- Ann Coulter speaks on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: Ecliptic
Regulation does not necessarily lead to no black market. It's just a guess. Think the drug lords in South America or Asia will stop selling drugs in this country just because they have competition from the government? Of course not!!

How much illegal liquor is brought in the country now?

It's all about profit margin. When drugs are legalized the drug lords will no longer have the high profits they now enjoy as an incentive to continue their activities.

The people who are most interested in keeping the War On Drugs alive are those who profit from it. Legalizing Marijuana or any of the stuff Congress likes to call controlled substances, would eliminate the multibillion-dollar profits and quickly reduce the market size. Users would be buying in stores licensed and taxed by the government, with the tax revenue going into rehabilitation programs.

Even worse for the drug barons, the glamour of doing something illegal would be gone for the teenagers, and there would be no reason left for the drug gangs to hire them to push the stuff in school yards and keep the list of customers multiplying. No more knife fights and gun battles for market territory. No more no-knock raids on innocent people. No more dealers standing on neighborhood street corners. No more confiscated property.

Legalizing and licensing knocks out the profits.

Politicians who support the War On Drugs are doing so for one reason only, they have a lobbyist funded by a drug baron slipping large quantities of cash into their pockets to keep the drug profits flowing. Their interest is in keeping the War On Drugs alive, well funded, and managed with the same bungling incompetence that has filled the prison system with bottom-level dealers and users, and left the big operators untroubled and the price of cocaine and heroin profitably high.

77 posted on 01/04/2004 4:11:03 PM PST by LPM1888 (What are the facts? Again and again and again -- what are the facts? - Lazarus Long)
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To: _Jim
My my - a vicious little bastard eh?

No, not in the least. When someone stupid acts accordingly by both (a) not addressing my points and (b) trying to label me something I'm not due to the inability to address these same points, I call them on it.

Well, when you begin to 'pull your weight' on this site MAYBE you can be entitled to an attitude like that.

Pull my weight? When you begin to construct arguments based on actual data and used both the complete historical record and rhetoric based in logic, perhaps you'll see the foolishness of your statement.

Till then reward us with silence - okay?

Sorry, if you spew BS, expect to get called on it.

78 posted on 01/04/2004 4:17:19 PM PST by Pahuanui (When a foolish man hears of the Tao, he laughs out loud)
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To: Pahuanui
C'mon now kissy kissy (it's what my sister tells her pet Conure/parrot when it's misbehaving) - be nice.

While I'm here WHY do governmental organizations pass laws controlling the sale, distibution (or prohibition thereof) and/or use (limits such as blood alcohol limits) of various intoxicating substances -

a) just for the hell of it
b) to collect tax revenue
c) unfettered sale and distibution has been found to cause a problem among SOME portions of the populace (the 'stupid', those unable to regulate use of said compounds)

Careful - YOUR ANSWER may parallel mine from earlier - and we can't have that now can we ...

79 posted on 01/04/2004 4:26:27 PM PST by _Jim ( <--- Ann Coulter speaks on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: _Jim
False dichotomy.

The reasons behind why governmental organizations pass laws controlling the sale, distibution (or prohibition thereof) and/or use (limits such as blood alcohol limits) of various intoxicating substances are not limited to only three categories.

Careful - YOUR ANSWER may parallel mine from earlier - and we can't have that now can we ...

It doesn't.

80 posted on 01/04/2004 4:31:42 PM PST by Pahuanui (When a foolish man hears of the Tao, he laughs out loud)
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