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Get off it OWK, you weren't there and have no idea what happened.

Obviously I wasn't there.

I know only what I see presented from both sides.

I know Joe pretty well.

Did he react poorly?

Yeah, I think he probably did. (I've already said that quite a few times).

Is he a good man?

Yes, I think he is.

Was his heart in the right place?

Yes, I think it was.

Are there a number of folks here who abuse their authority?

Sure.. one of them did it right in this thread.

Just to show that he can.

Joe seems like an okay guy, OWK--but he did get pissy when Jim wouldn't do what he wanted him to do, and he bailed out and went over to LP to kind of pout about it.

He threatened to out the mods besides Dales and feminazi unless the mods confirmed his story about those two doing "drivebys" and using their power to bait and persecute enemies. Joe has never given any proof of it--and the other mods certainly did not back him up. Was he lying?

He could've come here and taken it back up, but he didn't. Hiding out at LP and taking cheap shots at Jim from the gallery seats is so....well--not exactly being a good guy. Calling Jim a liar from two forums over isn't what one would expect from a friend.

The forum is always going to be chaotic. You know that. Jim learned a few lessons the hard way--he's made it clear that he's a lot more cautious now about who is involved in what, around FR.

BTW: I saw your remarks on the thread at LF where those people were egging each other on to "report" FR and copy threads to turn in to the Fresno HRC. Good for you for calling them on it. You can't get much lower than using a govt agency to harass people--even freeps.

People are presenting the issue in a way they think best supports their position, that doesn't mean what's posted is the full story. In my opinion, being there as an observer, what started as a policy and financial issue quickly devolved into a personal dispute which ended up in ultimatims.

Jim has been getting ultimatims since the inception of the site. Most were spurned but I think sometimes Jim would consider them to keep certain people happy. That camels back was broken over the eschoir lawsuit, when BB (and CAL, but that wasn't a deal breaker to Jim) threatened to leave if Jim didn't pursue it. The whole thing turned into a debacle Jim is still paying for to this day. After that point, anyone bringing ultimatims to Jim did so at their own risk. I know several people tried to talk Joe out of the direction he was heading. In my opinion his mistake was making his argument appear as a personal issue with the mods and not strictly one of managementor policy.

Jim was willing to compromise with Joe to keep him happy, but he would not bend to the demand that he remove MAF and Dales. He stated they were doing as he wished and didn't feel it right to remove them. Joe drew a line in the sand and the rest is history.

I don't know if FR would still be here if it wasn't for Joe and he was always a good warrior in the fight. I still hold out hope that this rift can be remedied, but, after these recent events I am less optimistic.