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People are presenting the issue in a way they think best supports their position, that doesn't mean what's posted is the full story. In my opinion, being there as an observer, what started as a policy and financial issue quickly devolved into a personal dispute which ended up in ultimatims.

Jim has been getting ultimatims since the inception of the site. Most were spurned but I think sometimes Jim would consider them to keep certain people happy. That camels back was broken over the eschoir lawsuit, when BB (and CAL, but that wasn't a deal breaker to Jim) threatened to leave if Jim didn't pursue it. The whole thing turned into a debacle Jim is still paying for to this day. After that point, anyone bringing ultimatims to Jim did so at their own risk. I know several people tried to talk Joe out of the direction he was heading. In my opinion his mistake was making his argument appear as a personal issue with the mods and not strictly one of managementor policy.

Jim was willing to compromise with Joe to keep him happy, but he would not bend to the demand that he remove MAF and Dales. He stated they were doing as he wished and didn't feel it right to remove them. Joe drew a line in the sand and the rest is history.

I don't know if FR would still be here if it wasn't for Joe and he was always a good warrior in the fight. I still hold out hope that this rift can be remedied, but, after these recent events I am less optimistic.