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Tick... tock... is it the 18th yet? BadJoe's promised Exposé on JimRob (vanity)
LibertyPost | The 18th of October, a date that shall live in infamy | AUTHORED by BADJOE

Posted on 10/18/2003 6:01:26 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

It is with a very heavy heart I am writing this.

A little about me first. I am sixty six years old. I have been told since I was a kid I wouldn't live past forty, because of a supposed heart condition.

Somehow I beat those doctor's predictions by 26 years so far, not by being careful, but by living to the fullest. You know "Eat, Drink, and be Merry. For tomorrow you may Die". The Lord knows I have had a really full life.

I made a few changes because of my condition. I gave up going to medical school and went to Optometry school because I figured the work would be less stressful, and it was.

I finished my schooling in 1959 and became a truly political person in 1960 after paying taxes that spring on my income of only three and one half months of private, solo, cold turkey start up practice in 1959. I was astounded at how much my government wanted from an up to his ears in debt damn kid.

I set out to find out what was wrong with my country. Somehow luck brought me to two books, "Atlas Shrugged" (Time magazine, which I subscribed to for my waiting room, did an article on its author, Ayn Rand), and "The Mainspring of Human Progress" by Henry Grady Weaver. These two books set me on my life's course. Over the years since I have given a thousand of these books to anyone who will accept them. I consider these two books as the most important any American could read. In fact if every high school student of the last forty years had read the "Mainspring," socialist thought would have been dead in our country twenty five years ago.

I was a hard Goldwater worker in ‘64 and a presidential elector for Wallace in 1968. Not because of the race thing, which I never have supported, but because of the 10th amendment position of the movement. I also considered both Nixon and Humphrey to be socialists.

Since I didn't expect to live long enough to get rich. I did what I could to advance the cause of liberty with what time and money I had. Some successes were there to be had.

The Goldwater/American Independent Party movement of the 60's set the stage for the Reagan miracle, and that set the stage for the 94 congressional elections. Both of these occurrences were big advances for the philosophy I held.

In 1996 the only thing I knew about computers was how to spell the word. After a personal injury in July that year, I had to lie down for nearly a year. During that time my son carried a computer in and said "well Dad. you've got nothing else to do". I already was a news junkie and this wondrous gadget allowed me to read damn near every newspaper in the country. By the fall of 97 I found the "Whitewater Pages" and FR, from a link on Drudge. I had learned about the Drudge Report from the TV news shows I was watching.

I signed up on FR in February 98, I am number 1697. After being nearly alone in the battle for liberty for many years, at last I had found hundreds and then thousands of kindred spirits.

In July 98 I needed to go to California and wrote to Clinton's a Liar and said I wanted to meet some Freepers. She put up a thread "Badjoe's coming to LA. Let's Party" I was picked up by Freeper Willa Johns. We went to the Cheese Factory restaurant that evening, where I met BobJ, Alygirl, NavyVet, and a few others. Most of us spent the night at Cal's home and the next day we all drove to Fresno to meet JimRob. At that time there were maybe between 4,000 and 5,000 Freepers to the best of my memory.

It was the 4th of July weekend and we had a great day in the park. Besides those I have already mentioned, Dale Reed and his Missus were there as was KG9kid. There were a few others but I don't remember their names. A couple of folks were from the San Francisco area.

Over Labor Day weekend in 98 BobJ arranged another get together of the LA area Freepers with a bus tour of the Reagan and Nixon libraries. I came back out here from Kansas for that weekend. This time there were 30 some Freepers on the trip. The sense of family and camaraderie was amazing. It was during this trip I decided to move to California from Wichita, Ks to help this movement grow and to be among my new found friends.

In October some Philadelphia teamsters roughed up a Freeper for protesting Clinton. JimRob decides he is going to go to DC and protest the President. In three weeks time 5,000 Freepers went along with him. That was 5,000 out of a total of about 15,000 registered Freepers. It was The March for Justice. I was one of the 5,000. I met One Who Knows there. Mike Galutia, A GreatPer, GinnyMac (more about GinnyMac later), most of what was to become the DC Chapter, and many, many others who's names I no longer remember. I considered that gathering to be the greatest group of Liberty loving, intelligence, since our founding fathers had met in Philadelphia in 1776. It was a magnificent occurrence. Does anyone think FR could ever get 5,000 Freepers to gather together anywhere for anything anymore?

In December 98 I made the move and by January Bob J asked me to take over FreepStuff, which I did. FR got a cut of what I sold. I bought most all the T-shirts, Ball Caps, Jackets, Bumper stickers, Posters, etc., out of my pocket. When the LATimes/Washinton Post lawsuit hit, JR all but shut FreepStuff down to bolster the idea that FR was not a money making enterprise, as part of the defense strategy. I had $3,000 or $4,000 worth of merchandise on hand at the time and swallowed it without complaint.

Ultimately I gave it all to a Freeper in Utah, I think, who was willing to try to revive it.

During 1999 BobJ ask me to handle incoming donations and told me we needed $500 or $600 a month to pay the for bandwidth for FR. I'd put up a small appeal every month and usually we got the funds needed. My memory may be failing me here as we may have needed a couple of thousand dollars each month.

Two really big things happened in December 1999.

#1 BobJ gathered together a few of us locals (I think JR was there too) and some Freepers from across the country, one from as far away as Michigan. We sat through a long Saturday and Sunday drawing up corporation papers for three FR entities, The Forum, The FR Network, and the FR Institute. They were to have interlocking boards of directors and work to save our countries liberty from different directions.

The Forum would remain as it was and would be used as a breeding ground for the talent for the other two.

The Network's goal was to de-fund the left and neutralize the media through political action.

The FR Institute was to work on college campuses and high schools, though speakers on "Limited Constitutional Governments" and the "Benefits of a Free Marketplace". We envisioned ultimately we'd have "Liberty Scholarships" available to deserving high school students through a national essay contest.

The FR Institute was my primary interest.

The FR Network corporation is the only one of the three that got formed. The Forum remained in Jim's LLC.

#2 Big event was Freeper Vermonter suggesting we do a fundraiser once a quarter, and he was very instrumental in kicking off the first big fundraiser. We raised $15,000 in eight days. That was December 99

In March of 2,000 we went for $20,000 Freepers 2ndMostConservativeBrdmbr and Topaz jumped in big time to help and we made the goal in about 11 days.

Buoyed by success I decided to go for $40,000 in June of 2,000. BobJ and others thought I was going for too much. I said we won't know unless we try. We made it in just under 10 days. During this time frame We had many overloads on the server. I knew we needed better equipment and bigger service. I talked with Jim and tried to get a feel for how much he needed to live on and what it would take to upgrade. He said he needed $5,000/month. Not wanting him to live hand to mouth so to speak I said hell take $6,000/mo I'll get us the money. Please keep in mind folks that I had never been involved with fundraising before my experience with FR.

As equipment and server expense kept getting higher, we kept raising the goal. We went for $70,000 $80,000 and one time we tried for $100,000. We didn't make that one but did get in about $93,000 I think. After 18 days I thought the fundraising team had had enough.

Up till May of 2,002 I had little or nothing to do with the inner workings of FR’s forum. However. I was part of the newly formed Orange County Chapter.


Some not so good things were going on behind the scenes that I later learned about. I knew we had established a moderator system. I only knew who one of them was as he withdrew from helping with the fundraising and wanted me to know he had been asked to take on new duties. He didn't tell me he was becoming a moderator, but it was easy to figure out.

In April of 2,002 I received an e-mail from JR stating that he was going to assert his belief that we should only elect Republicans in order to get conservative court appointments. I answer that it was fine for him to take that position, but that if he tried to force the Forum that direction it would be a disaster.

By the middle of May monthly cancellations started rolling in. Banned Freepers were writing me everyday. When I would question the reason for a particular banning I got answers like."He was on my s**tlist anyway". About a banned couple he said " They were not who I thought they were, so I banned them anyway" I could not make rhyme or reason out of his answers and said so.

I think out of frustration with my questioning JR gave me access to the moderator pages, This was just before the June 2,002 fundraiser, and I was too busy to pay any attention those pages. After the fundraiser was over, I went back and read every post on the Moderator page and every post on the abuse page, so I could get a handle on what they were doing.

From the beginning of the moderator program in the fall of 2,001 till March of 2,002 things seemed to be going pretty smoothly. JimRob rarely posted on the abuse page. Then whammo! Moderators #5 (Magnum), I later learned that this was Ms AntiFeminazi and Mod.#9 (Dales) ripped into Diotima, who is Jewish and Mercuria calling them anti semites, etc., This went on for hours. I also later learned that the Lead Moderator had withdrawn at this time for personal reasons. JimRob was now all over the abuse page and he let this crap go on.

I also learned that MsAntiFeminazi had said she wanted to be the next Connie (Clinton's a Liar) ie: she wanted to be the closest Freeper to JR. When this info got out, everyone thought it was Diotima who said it. Diotima kept quiet and took the heat. In fact she took so much heat that MsAntiFeminazi thanked her for doing it. My opinion is that MsAntiFeminazi thought the way to Jim was through BobJ. Diotima was in the way and hence the anti-Semite attack. MsAntiFeminazi talked with BoBJ on the phone a lot as she does JimRob, and this is where she dishes her dirt with sly innuendos. I think she thinks she is Mata Hari. She must destroy anyone who gets in her way.

Sidelight: On the 9th or 10th of June 2,002 I get an email or FreepMail from MsAntiFeminazi telling me she has a check from a Texas Freeper for $100.00 that was to help with the expenses of the FR booth at the Texas Republican convention, but that it was written to the FreeRepublic. She wanted to know if I could negotiate a check written to FR. From the Freepstuff days I had FR named on my account, so I told her I could do that, and if she gave me her name and address I would send her a check for $100.00 and those checks would cross in the mail and she would get the money quicker. She then said Oooops1 the check isn't signed, so she'd have to contact the Texas Freeper. I said I'd send her $50.00 anyway to help with the expenses and I did it. I did Not know MAF was a moderator at this time.

Now since she was talking with JimRob everyday on the moderator pages and communicating by phone with him frequently, why in hell did she not ask Jim to handle the check problem? I was in the middle of the June Freepathon when this occurred and everyone was still on very friendly terms. Was I being set up somehow? I don't know, but it sure doesn't smell right.

After the June Freepathon was over the monthly cancellations started coming in again. At the time the monthlies were at $7,700 with about 425 monthly donors even after having lost over a thousand dollars worth. The bannings also accelerated. I posted on the mod page a plea for them to put some anesthetic 0n their itchy trigger fingers. I told them I did not want to make their job harder and I'd appreciate their not making my job harder either.

In order to occupy their time I got them into an argument about anarchy on the Mod page. Ms AntiFeminazi and Dales would cut and paste thousands of words from left wing anarchist websites to counter my argument that the classical definition of anarchy was zero government. Because neither of them could carry the argument with their own words, I deduced they were not too bright. I did have a reasonable discussion with both Logos and WImom on that thread. Dales was recently kind enough to post that thread in "The Smokey BackRoom. Thank you Dales. The thread basically ended with MsAntiFeminazi telling me we were not on the same side and calling me a leftist. I fired back that she didn't have the intelligence, temperament or skill to be a moderator and should get out of there.

Within minutes I received a note from JimRob telling me that MsAntiFeminazi was such a great help to him and that I had reduced her to tears and to please apologize. I did do that for Jim, though I have never received an apology for her calling me a leftist.

I want everyone to know that the other mods rarely banned anyone. MAF and Dales perused other websites and reported on the abuse page anything any Freeper said on any other website. They made book on the Freepers. They assigned the worst possible reason to any statement anywhere and used it to ban Freepers.

I complained to Jim at every instance. In a few cases I did save the Freeper at least temporarily. Mostly I was met with "They are doing what I want them to do". I did not want to believe him. I couldn't believe he couldn't see what was happening. The monthlies kept going away.

When the number one Freeper on the monthly donor list, who was also our biggest monthly donor notified me by FreepMail to stop the donation, I got really uptight. I immediately notified Jim without naming her. He said curtly “ XXXXXX is a friend of Connie’s” This happened so fast I wondered if he was reading my FreepMail. I had been warned by a mod to not say anything via FreepMail that I did not want JR to know. I am not making the accusation that he reads others FreepMail, but I am sure he can if he wants to.

In frustration I finally took it to the Freepers with threads "If Only" "When do you Quit", "Can This Freeper be Saved" and probably a few I have forgotten about.

I learned from others who could read the abuse page, that when MAF and Dales were on the baord, no other moderator did anything. Those two would take over.

Jim told me the Lead Moderator picked the mods. NOT true. Jim insisted on MAF and Dales. I am sure the Lead Moderator wrote the letters asking them to be on the board as Dales has said.

On one of my threads I said banning Libertarians was a matter of policy. Jim denied it. I saw Jim post on the abuse page that they were to ease up on the Libertarians.

As late as May of 2002 The Network was in the process of putting Jim on the board (Remember our three corporations with interlocking directors) I thought the original plan was still in effect. I thought we were still all in it together and on the same team.

By July of 2,002 there was a noticeable terror stalking the threads. The bannings continued. I tried to tell JimRob that the forum was being dumbed down. By banning some of the people who presented opposite points of view, he was depriving the Freepers of the opportunity to hone their debating skills. I was fearful that we reach the point were we were only preaching to the choir. My point was to let the Freepers handle it.

I am happy the mods outed themselves. I hope the Freepers who get treated unfairly now complain directly to some of these mods, and I hope they get better answers than I got from JimRob.

John Huang2 and Kattracks do a magnificent job and perform a great service to FR by all the articles they posts. I commend them.

I do not want them to quit being mods. The idea that I wanted all the mods to quit comes from Ms AniFeminazi. I could still read the abuse page when she posted this charge. It is NOT true.

The GinnyMac story. GinnyMac is/was an Orange Couty Lurker/Freeper who attended the March for Justice, The House Managers dinner, and gave at least a $100 during every Freepathon. However she never registered till Willa talked her into doing so in 2,000 I think. She has never posted. She no longer can log in. She wrote to Jim about it and has never received an answer. Jim says no one has been knocked off the forum that didn't deserve it. What did GinnyMac do Jim?

Willa and I did thousands of hours of work to handle the donations/and the Freeper Ball money. Willa still donates to FR. Jim and I never had any problems till some of the mods got out of control.

When I found Jim in 1998 he was in dire financial straights. I did what was necessary to see to it that he became well fed. Did he bite my hand? I sure think so.

I do not want FR to go down. I do want it to get cleaned up. I want FR to once again gain the sense of purpose and camaraderie. Unfortunately I do not think this is possible with Jim at the helm.

Towards the end BoBJ worked out an agreement between Jim and I.

Jim and I would each appoint five moderator overseers. Freepers were to be given the benefit of the doubt. Banned Freepers could appeal to this board of overseers.

Jim posted this agreement on the abuse page to the moderators.

MAF went ballistic and posted my nastygram to her on the abuse page. I informed the Network board of Jim's posting of the agreement.

I sent the network Post to the one moderator who had admitted to understanding the problems.

She sent it to JR and within one hour Jim recinded the agreement, threw me off the mod pages along with another Network observer of the mod pages and he told me NO NETWORK PERSON would ever be allowed on there again.

Obviously we were no longer in it together.

Three more final points.

When Jim canned Mercuria from the moderator board he told her he was cutting back on the number of moderators. He did NOT have the courage to tell her she was the only one being removed.

The ability to read the pulled posts was very nice. After Jim took me off the mod pages I told him I'd still help with getting the monthly people to transfer to the new system. I asked that I be allowed to read the pulled posts. He said he do it. When it didn't happen for a while I asked again. He told me that was the very next thing on John's agenda. When it still didn't happen and I asked again, he said he changed his mind. This was the last straw for me and is the day I withdrew from posting on FR.

The moderators do have bunker mentality. Their attitude is "It is us against them" The them are the Freepers.

My conclusions.

One cannot rely on Jim to tell the truth.

Freepers are not given the benefit of the doubt.

There is no review process of Moderator action.

Jim does not have any principles or convictions

Jim is not an honest nor an honorable man.

Jim is not a man of his word.

FR has outgrown his ability to handle it.

Jim says he loves me like a brother.

Right! Like Cain loved Abel.

Finally, while I am down on JR and some of the mods I still recommend FR to many people. I do not speak ill of the Freepers. They are great.

I still cling to the hope that FR will get straightened out. I do not think it can or will happen with Jim at the helm.


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To: ventana
Pickled Eggs? Never hoid of em. V's wife. (bet they're tasty, though).

VERY basic recipe for Pickled Eggs
Many more available on the 'Net with different spices etc.
(Many families had their own "secret" recipes)
Usually better if you soak them in the vinegar longer than 24 hours.
(Maybe a week or so, if you can be that patient. Both the color and the flavor become deeper)
BTW, they're not just "bar food". Often served as hors d'oerves at holiday meals like Easter, or at wedding receptions, etc.

Very easy to make, it just takes time to wait for them to pickle.

561 posted on 10/19/2003 10:29:03 AM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: PhiKapMom; Dales
It makes me wonder why so many people are changing their screen names? What is the purpose? Don't they want us to know who they originally were?

I can see why some people might wish to change their screen names, if said screen names were timely or descriptive several years ago, but aren't any more - for example, screen names referring to Gore, or to a place a poster no longer lives.

I agree that it would be good to know who the poster originally was, and I think we can both see why someone would want to keep their original sign-in date.

My question refers more to what I see as rank hypocrisy: Dales admits he has more than one screen name, but the rest of us aren't allowed to have but one. It appears to be a case of the rules only applying to some people, and I was hoping perhaps someone would tell me why appearances were deceiving in this case.

562 posted on 10/19/2003 10:29:54 AM PDT by Amelia
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To: Jim Robinson
bump for later reading.
563 posted on 10/19/2003 10:35:02 AM PDT by proud American in Canada ("We are a peaceful people. Yet we are not a fragile people.")
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To: Dales; everyone
Hi Registered. I read your suggestions. I appreciate them, and I will think them over more, but my first inclination is not positive.
First off, regarding the rotation: one of Jim's biggest problems to date with Free Republic has been in trusting people who could not and should not have been trusted. FAB, FRN, the chapters, the forum itself, and even the mod program have suffered from having people act untrustworthy.
A small, static number of freepers who are replaced only on an as-needed basis strikes me as being a good way to minimize this risk.

One minimizes risk by spreading it..
Our jury system is a good example. -- And it could be a good model for a 'mod duty' system..

Vetting people, in an online environment, especially when you have no desire to pry into a person's personal life, is simply too difficult to do.

Little 'vetting' would be necessary if a mod only served occasionaly, say for a week or two every year or so..

As for the idea that 'refs' should not 'play', I also disagree. My disagreement stems from three places.
1) It is by posting that people develop reputations with most of the Freepers. Our reputations are what made 'coming out' work. And if you don't use it, you lose it.
2) Those who are mods shouldn't be forced to abandon their posting. You don't reward hard-working, trustworthy volunteers by imposing penalties on them.
3) The perception of bias is always going to be there, for at least two reasons: a) There is a certain percentage of people who are always going to be suspicious, b) there is a certain percentage of people who have a vested interest in creating said suspicions and exploiting them (forums that want our audience, groups that want to make Free Republic fail, etc.).

All of these objections are made moot if mod duties are for limited terms..

I think the ref analogy sort of proves my point about the perception of bias being ever present, anyway. Go to any youth football league's games, and you will hear certain parents muttering about bias among the referees, who don't play. It is the nature of the beast. The simple fact is that it boils down to if one trusts Jim or not. He has said he provides, and he does provide, oversight of all moderator activities. If one does take Jim at his word, then other measures to prevent a perception of bias are unnecessary-- because the bias in the system is a reflection of his bias, which can never be eliminated as it is his forum. If one doesn't, then other measures may help but will never remove such a perception.
The degree of mitigation in this regard that your suggestions would provide is unknown, but strikes me as probably not being worth the cost. The cost of added risk, the cost of losing some excellent volunteers who wouldn't want to give up their posting rights, the cost of losing the contributions in-forum of those who would, in order to minimize (but not eliminate) a perception (not reality) problem does not strike me as the way to go.

The 'problem' is real.. A bit of accountability in the procedure [while maintaining mod's personal privacy] would not 'cost' anything, imo..

I am conservative not just by political ideology, but also by nature and instinct. We have just made a fairly substantial (and unplanned) change, by all moderators making their role public.

All we have is a partial list of mods former FR names.
There is no disclosure on whether say 'mod99' is the one who is pulling many of "freeper86's" posts.. As you well know, this type of mod-stalking behavior does happen..

To me, it makes sense to step back and wait, and see how things go right now, before making another course adjustment. Perhaps one won't be needed. Perhaps a stronger one will be. Or one in another direction.

Thats what this is all about.. Moderating "in another direction".

Also by nature and instinct, I am one who believes in autonomy of decisions being pushed downward. I believe states making laws rather than the federal government is a far better setup, because it lets what's right f to be one way, while what's right for another be another.
We have one mod who pretty much has given up posting, altogether. We have one who has taken a new screen name. We have another, me who has another screen name,

Some freepers have been banned for new screen names.. - Go figure..

but hasn't quite decided what he is going to do; I know that at a minimum I am going to continue to do whatever polling tracking and analysis I do under this name. We have a few who are posting frequently. This diversity of approaches will hopefully, over time, give us some indication of which approach is the best. But as I said earlier, I will give your suggestion more thought, and keep it in mind as things unfold over the coming weeks and months. I am also pinging the others. You see, on the question of those with 'the badge' not posting, I may be biased since I enjoy posting. I enjoy debating. I enjoy making joking comments. I enjoy the banter. I still believe what I believe, but since it also happens to overlap with what I personally would prefer, let's get some other eyes on it.

I hope you use your influence to 'get some other eyes on it'. Some sort of reform is way overdue..

564 posted on 10/19/2003 10:37:14 AM PDT by tpaine (I'm trying to be 'Mr Nice Guy', but Arnie won, & politics as usual lost. Yo!)
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To: ventana
BTW, very fresh eggs are harder to peel.
It's better to use eggs that are a little older.
565 posted on 10/19/2003 10:43:08 AM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: Amelia
I did a name change and asked to keep my sign-on date, but I make of note of who I WAS on my profile page.

I did because because keep asking me if I was from that part of NY State or if I was American Indian and neither of those two were why I had chosen my original name.

So I picked another name alot of my close friends of FR knew me as.

I just think that no matter what changes are made on/to FR to appease/please any number of FREEPERS, there are going to be that small fraction who won't be pleases, who will see sinisters reasons behind things that are/are not done here.

That's just life.

This isn't all that serious, and people who have problems with FR, FR members, moderators, owners, etc would serves themselves better to just find some place else to go.
566 posted on 10/19/2003 10:51:35 AM PDT by Neets (Frogs have it easy..they can eat whatever's bugging them.)
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To: Dog Gone; yall
Badjoe said:
In April of 2,002 I received an e-mail from JR stating that he was going to assert his belief that we should only elect Republicans in order to get conservative court appointments. I answer that it was fine for him to take that position, but that if he tried to force the Forum that direction it would be a disaster.

______________________________________


How much of this "dispute" boils down to the fact that some conservatives are anti-Republican and get angry at those who assert that the only electable alternative to a Democrat is a Republican?
I think it's the heart of the issue.
549 -DG-






How much of this "dispute" boils down to the fact that some die hard Republicans insist that other conservatives conform and get angry while asserting that the only electable alternative to a Democrat is a Republican?

As Bad Joe predicted, trying to force the Forum that direction has been divisive, to say the least..
567 posted on 10/19/2003 10:52:58 AM PDT by tpaine (I'm trying to be 'Mr Nice Guy', but Arnie won, & politics as usual lost. Yo!)
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To: tpaine
Some freepers have been banned for new screen names.. - Go figure..

I'm figuring that the previous screen names were banned first.

568 posted on 10/19/2003 10:54:44 AM PDT by Bob J
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To: Howlin
Apparently it's the "gift" that keeps on giving.

Much like Herpes......
569 posted on 10/19/2003 10:55:55 AM PDT by cmsgop (If you Sprinkle When You Tinkle,...Be a Sweetie and Wipe the Seatie......Priceless!!!!!!!!I saqw)
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To: Neets
I did a name change and asked to keep my sign-on date, but I make of note of who I WAS on my profile page.

As I've said twice, I can understand that, and I have no problem with it.

570 posted on 10/19/2003 11:01:19 AM PDT by Amelia
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To: Amelia
My bad toots..I know you don't ..I was posting that for the benefit of those who thing some people are privildged by having a name change and construe that as having multiple ID's.
571 posted on 10/19/2003 11:02:44 AM PDT by Neets (Frogs have it easy..they can eat whatever's bugging them.)
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To: Bob J
Some freepers have been banned for new screen names.. - Go figure..

I'm figuring that the previous screen names were banned first.

Yep.. And figuring why and how some freepers have been banned is another one of the issues, Bob..

572 posted on 10/19/2003 11:20:46 AM PDT by tpaine (I'm trying to be 'Mr Nice Guy', but Arnie won, & politics as usual lost. Yo!)
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To: Neets
Gotcha. :-)
573 posted on 10/19/2003 11:21:22 AM PDT by Amelia
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To: Amelia
I suppose I could get upset at the use of the word hypocrisy there. Too often, discussing things in good faith leads to such accusations, which ends up people deciding it is not worth their while to try to talk about things, which leads to suspicion, which leads to... and so on. Please keep that in mind.

I have had several names. The history of each is straightforward and not really all that astounding. Dales was first. Then one night, long before being a mod, I got tired of being hit on via freepmail (apparently, Dales is an androgynous name) and I decided to make a change. I mailed Jim asking for a name change and he said then that he didn't have a way to easily do it. I mailed him back asking him if I could make a new account. He said go ahead. Hugh Akston entered the forum. And I didn't hide it. This was back when taglines still were around (and hey, they are back now, but this was during when they were originally around). And for months my tagline was "The Freeper formerly known as Dales". I had it in my profile.

Over time, I decided to reclaim my Dales name, for several reasons including one which tpaine can speak to. I then abandoned Hugh in place, updated his profile to point back to Dales, and started being me again.

Then Joe decided to try to demonize me. It took me a while to decide what I wanted to do with it. Jim suggested a name change, if I wanted it. I figured that a new name showing up, with the same 'born on date' that would occur if he changed my name in the system as he now easily can, would probably not work. So I created a new one. This was all done with Jim's permission.

I also have two accounts created for specific tasks, which have never been used for anything that could be considered debating. one such account is an account I set up that all moderators have access to called "I am not a mod". Again, this was done with Jim's permission.

The key to all of this, is that all of this was done with Jim's permission. I don't think anyone has ever lost an account for having more than one name when done with his permission.

574 posted on 10/19/2003 11:22:25 AM PDT by Dales
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To: tpaine
One minimizes risk by spreading it..
Not always true. One can minimize the risk of being a target by spreading around lots of other targets. One does not minimize the risk of leaks by letting tons of people knowing something; work in any secure environment and you will have impressed on you the requirement of Need To Know and how important it is.

There are lots of ways to minimize risk, or to maximize it. What is appropriate for one situation may be the worst for another. One size does not fit all, your mileage may vary.

575 posted on 10/19/2003 11:27:03 AM PDT by Dales
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To: snopercod
I agree. The information available on this site could be invaluable to researchers and pundits if it were easier to locate.
576 posted on 10/19/2003 11:30:37 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: tpaine
I forgot to add- there is accountability in the system. Jim provides it.

And the stalking you describe as absolutely happening and claim that I know happens does not happen, that I have seen. So please, if you want to claim it happens, that is one thing, and you are more than welcome to your opinion. Do not state it as if it is also my own opinion. It is not.

577 posted on 10/19/2003 11:34:21 AM PDT by Dales
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To: tpaine
"Some freepers have been banned for new screen names.. - Go figure.."
Any of them ask Jim for permission first?
578 posted on 10/19/2003 11:37:50 AM PDT by Dales
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To: trussell
Book Mark
579 posted on 10/19/2003 11:37:53 AM PDT by trussell (Thrice featured winner of the Taglinus FreeRepublicus award!!)
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To: Dales
So I created a new one.
Er, more accurately I took over my wife's account that she never used. And had the name on it changed.
580 posted on 10/19/2003 11:44:25 AM PDT by Dales
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