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To: Askel5
I'd be impressed if I didn't realize that was yet another attempt at pretention designed to make you seem brilliant to your short list of hangers on. But do please continue - they'd be upset if they weren't treated to your version of "deep thoughts" (not unlike Jack Handey from SNL).
75 posted on 03/01/2003 11:29:14 AM PST by Chancellor Palpatine (those who unilaterally beat their swords into plowshares wind up plowing for those who don't)
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
...Some say the same of Iraq today. They are mistaken. (Applause.) The nation of Iraq -- with its proud heritage, abundant resources and skilled and educated people -- is fully capable of moving toward democracy and living in freedom. (Applause.)

Serious question, Palpatine. Do you think this is really going to happen?

The world has a clear interest in the spread of democratic values, because stable and free nations do not breed the ideologies of murder. They encourage the peaceful pursuit of a better life. And there are hopeful signs of a desire for freedom in the Middle East....

One could easily look at history and say that the "spread of democratic values" has produced nothing of the kind. The Weimar Republic was a democracy, wasn't it?

I suspect that a stable and free nation is the necessary condition for a successful democracy (or republic). To suggest that democracy actually produces stability and/or freedom may be inverting the relationship between the two.

81 posted on 03/01/2003 11:53:30 AM PST by independentmind
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To: LaBelleDameSansMerci


Nowhere is man so insignificant as in a democracy.

... Powerlessness is never better concealed than when people place themselves in the shadow of a great leader, those momentous personas with whom the people can identify.



... There are almost no limits to the generosity and the hopes but also to the deceptions – that the democratic masses invest in their leaders, their father figures. The self-esteem of the masses is here raised to sublime heights. If the possibilities of identification between the leaders and their followers are sufficiently strong, then every feeling of powerlessness is obliterated.

... In democratic leadership we see manipulation and the psychological phenomenon of projection at the highest level. The leader will be the incarnation of the
volonté générale, the bearer and executor of what is said to be the people's inner "will."

... there are no stable points, no supports; the absolute is replaced by the relative, the qualitative is replaced by the quantitative. In the art of governing, man has a new means of administration: statistics; and a means of power: voting. The world is placed, willy-nilly, under a principle of power.

More implacable than God's will under a millennial creed is the present domination of the majority over the minority. For God's will was always linked with caritas, with forgiveness, grace, and compassion. The will of the majority, on the contrary, is unconditional; it requires unconditional surrender.

To the pseudo-metaphysical dimension of this "trinity," the City of Man, and to its existential dimension, modernism, we must now add a third: naked political and physical power – democracy. For in this modernistic, democratic City of Man, we must vote on everything, even on virtue [4] and righteousness.

And what then of the righteous minorities?



Unconditional Surrender to the Volonté Générale

87 posted on 03/01/2003 1:04:42 PM PST by Askel5
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
another attempt at pretention designed to make you seem brilliant to your short list of hangers on. But do please continue - they'd be upset if they weren't treated to your version of "deep thoughts" (not unlike Jack Handey from SNL).

Jack who? Forgive my "pretention" but I have no idea what you're talking about.

If you mean to continue implying LaBelle and I are one and the same -- THANKS!

88 posted on 03/01/2003 1:07:18 PM PST by Askel5
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
Since you brought it up, here's a favorite from Jack Handey (I love Jack Handey):

A good way to threaten somebody is to light a stick of dynamite. Then you call the guy and hold the burning fuse up to the phone. "Hear that?" you say. "That's dynamite, baby."

P.S. What the hell is this thread about, anyway?

89 posted on 03/01/2003 2:25:36 PM PST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet ( "It was total manipulation. He was trying to confuse me, and it worked." - Nigel Tufnel)
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