LoTR: Return of the King - Pictures, spy reports and spoilers thread (ongoing)

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[HairOfTheDog]

Lord of the Rings:
Return of the King!
Pictures, spy reports and spoilers thread (ongoing)

Countdown to December!

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Beyond this point there be spoilers!

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Don't say we didn't warn you! Spoilers are what this thread is all about. So bring your rumors (substantiated or not!), spoilers, spy reports, and bones of contention about them here as the snippets of RoTK news, photos and interviews come rolling in.

I wouldn't even recommend pinging people to this thread unless you know they want to see them. There are a lot of purists out there that hate to have anything given away before the movie comes out. I, however, am not one of those.

I will start a "RoTK spoilers ping list" separate from the other Tolkien ping lists… so let me know if you want to be on the spoiler alert list!" If we use this thread for that kind of stuff, we won't shock people who don't want to see it. (though I bet they look anyway!)

Report 'em if you got 'em!

One tip….. Don't embed images from TORN (TheOneRing.Net) on this thread. If possible, load the image to another server, or just post a link to the TORN page. TORN's servers are powered by fleas I think, and are horrendously slow, particularly when they have something that is particularly good!

[maquiladora]

Hey folks, kinda offtopic, but I was looking at the great Extended Edition of FOTR once again this week and you probably know that Fran Walsh (despite being PJ's partner/wife, co-writer and co-producer) doesn't make an appearance because they decided someone should be less public and more involed with the family (which is a great idea). But if you were just curious as to what she looks like, this is a pic of Pete and Fran at the Oscars:

[HairOfTheDog]

Yeah - I was curious and have not seen a pic.... What is with the belt there - Was she weightlifting during the evening? ;~D < /fashion policing >

[maquiladora]

Notice PJ wore the Good Luck pin from TORN?

[maquiladora]

Check it out! Harry Knowles/ACIN have got a report from the RotK set! This is fresh, TORN dont have it linked yet!

here.

[HairOfTheDog]

Spoiler alert!

Harry Knowles/AICN RoTK set report - Haven't even read it yet! Didn't want to wait - From Maq to you!

HERE!

Also - other news tidbits last several posts upthread since last ping!

[HairOfTheDog]

ARGH! - He was there a whole month and he only reports on one day?????

;~D Thanks Maq..... Now I will have to watch for his follow up reports.

[HairOfTheDog]

Aee also Moriarty's set report: Ain't It Cool News - View Article

[fnord]

amazing that they are still shooting scenes for a December release. that is some attention to detail ...

[HairOfTheDog]

Makes me kinda nervous! :~D - I'd be tapping my watch at them!

[fnord]

maybe PJ is just stocking up footage for the blockbuster, 16-hour super-extended platinum DVD collector's edition ... which I will, of course, buy.

[HairOfTheDog]

which I will, of course, buy.

Just tell me where to send the checks!

[maquiladora]

maybe PJ is just stocking up footage for the blockbuster, 16-hour super-extended platinum DVD collector's edition ... which I will, of course, buy.

You know, about 500 hours worth of footage was shot for LOTR. A lot of that is just multiple angles, but there must still be a lot of things that we'll never see. Such a shame.

[osagebowman]

16 hour extended-extended DVD edition.
I'm in too, that would be the ultimate, perhaps we could volunteer to help them put it together?

[maquiladora]

How about making a re-cut of LOTR with all the footage and maybe some nw scenes available and making it into a TV series / DVD box set? Like Band of Brothers or something, 12 or 14 hour-long episodes.

[HairOfTheDog]

Gonna hold off on pinging everyone, because I don't think there is any *real* news here..... This is a collection of old rumors regarding the Appearance Of Sauron In RoTK

[Mamzelle]

re: "which I will, of course, buy"---

I think there has to be something historic about the dvd/vhs sales of versions of the LOTR. What other movie is purchased avidly, when it is common knowledge that there will be an extended version released only a few months later? I can't think of another movie whose fans would not only put up with such a thing, but wish that there were a THIRD version!--

[Fire-Breathing_Freeper]

The armored WitchKing toy; popcorn live

[Fire-Breathing_Freeper]

There are also two pictures of Frodo and Sam in orc armor.

[Fire-Breathing_Freeper]

At TOR.N today

EA's RoTK - Changes For PoTD, Cirirth Ungol And Sauron?
Demosthenes

IGN has a review of Electronic Arts' Return of the King game, and unsurprisingly there's some news that will only muddy the spoiler waters. The vibe for the game itself is extremely promising. You can read the full review here, but I've grabbed a few excerpts to discuss the parts which may affect the movie.

The game showed off some interesting twists that may reveal new things about the movie. For instance, in the Paths of the Dead level, Aragorn, Gimli and Legolas must pass through a horribly dark underground passage in which they must fight the undead traitors from a previous war in order to earn their respect and thus get them to follow Elfstone to the enemy ships before Minas Tirith falls. But in the book, they don't fight the ghosts, Aragorn, being the true heir and rightful king, beckons them to follow and when they reach the ships, he unleashes the horde of ghosts upon the enemy.

I cannot recall seeing this previously as a substantial and credible movie rumour. That being said, Jackson may want to up the ante on Paths of the Dead, and make it even more dangerous. The logic could well run something like this: Baldor died attempting the Paths, why should it be less dangerous for others?

In another little twist, we already know that Sam must rescue Frodo from the tower (in the Cirith Ungul level). But in book, he basically ascends the tower unscathed, because the orcs have already killed themselves over Frodo's mithril coat and other booty. But in the game he must sneak by and/or fight them to rescue Frodo.

Again, I can't dig up any previous rumours or set reports describing anything like this.

Interestingly enough, EA says there will be boss fights with predicable enemies such as Shelob and the Witch King (the leader of the Ring Wraiths in the attack on Minas Tirath), but more surprisingly, there is a "final showdown" with Sauron. What?!!!??!! That'll be interesting given that there is no actual face-to-eye confrontation with Sauron himself in the book…

By far the most controversial of the possible changes, but seemingly the least likely in the light of information we received just a couple of days ago that indicated Jackson is rethinking everything about Sauron physically appearing in Return of the King. Check out this report for the background.

What makes all this stuff even more controversial is that (from my reading of the article) EA is saying that the game script will follow the movie.

But it's wise to consider that Jackson is still patching the film together, and will be working on it up till the very moment he has to deliver it to New Line. Things must still be open to change. And remember that Jackson said in the last issue of the LoTR fan mag, that of the three films, RoTK would be closest to the book:

Q. How closely will you be sticking to the book in The Return of the King?

A. The Return of the King is quite close to the book. There are notable exceptions. The first thing with RotK is that we still have to wrap up The Two Towers. We have the Isengard sequence—in which they go to Isengard to deal with Saruman, who is imprisoned at the top of a tower—which is at the tail end of TT book. It is now at the beginning of RotK. Likewise, we don't have the scouring of the Shire, which is a major chapter at the end of the book....

...When the ring is destroyed at the end of RotK, that is really the climax of the film. Those two things are the notable major exceptions as well as Shelob [my emphasis], which is another spill-over from TT—Minas Morgul, the stairs of Cirith Ungol and into Shelob's tunnel are now in RotK.

When fans of the book see that sequence, I think they will understand immediately how impossible it would have been for it to be in TT. It feels so right to be where we've got it from a story point of view—for reasons I can't discuss now! At this point, we don't have Ghân-buri-Ghân, the Wild Man that the Rohirrim come across on their way to Minas Tirith in there. I don't know if this will change with us doing pickups, but I doubt it.

Having said that, the rest of RotK movie is going to follow the book reasonably well. What I like about RotK is that the story is the centerpiece of the film, more so than in the first two films.

EA could be lagging behind the latest script ideas or (particularly in the case of the Sauron battle) that they have multiple options to mesh with whatever Jackson decides in the end and just showing off those which look the sexiest.

In my opinion, interpreting game scenes back into the movie is perilous stuff. Games scripts operate differently, and need much more action and conflict to drive them. These sorts of scenes are something I would expect to see in a game. I think it's still way too early to conclude "the worst" when we have either conflicting evidence floating around, or no supporting evidence at all.

PJ is runing everything!

[HairOfTheDog]

Aww..... If the last line is your editorial comment..... I wouldn't worry too much.... A game is different than the movie. I take these plots with a grain of salt. The game makers have not seen the film, it is not really even finished.