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Tolkien Picks Up A Few More Bits Of Cultural Baggage [Awww... the orcs are just misunderstood!]
Washington Post ^ | December 29, 2002 | Chris Mooney

Posted on 12/31/2002 10:59:06 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

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To: Argh
Hmmm.... well I did have to answer their little curiosity question about my age and zip code to get in...

If you go to their home page and do a search on "Tolkien" It pops up as the first match.
21 posted on 12/31/2002 12:05:15 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
I had to answer those too. And I tried what you said, but I'm asked for the data again. And every time I enter the data, I get that blank page at that address.

But thanks anyway!

22 posted on 12/31/2002 12:09:20 PM PST by Argh
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To: Vast Buffalo Wing Conspiracy
For the record, I find those currently trying to use Tolkien to bolster their pro-war sentiments, just as cringeworthy as other, more PC, attempts to harness Tolkien to serve political purposes he never intended his writings to serve.

A fair criticism of my own behavior!

I always find connection between things in my life, and am often struck by how a few lines in a movie, or a song, will express a sentiment I feel for something else, better than I could.

Those of us who don't have a particular talent for writing often will use the writings of others to say what we wish we could express on our own. Kindof like finding the perfect Hallmark card for a moment.... written by a stranger with perhaps a different moment in mind when they wrote it. But it fits nonetheless...

23 posted on 12/31/2002 12:11:20 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: Argh
I guess it is personal then Argh! Anyone else having trouble?

I will send you a FRMail in a min, Argh...
24 posted on 12/31/2002 12:14:02 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
This is Chris Mooney's e-mail address:

moonecc-at-yahoo.com.

This is his homepage

25 posted on 12/31/2002 12:23:39 PM PST by SkyPilot
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To: HairOfTheDog
I'm not on any of the Ring Ping Lists. I know it's a high volume ping, so I just surf over when I need my fix. Something new and fun is always on tap! Thanks anyway, HOTD!
26 posted on 12/31/2002 12:24:09 PM PST by BradyLS
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To: Argh
Just for the record, I love your screen name. Every time I see it, I have a Monty Python moment and wonder if you have a castle. The Castle Aaaaaargh!

Please ignore this meaningless post.

27 posted on 12/31/2002 12:27:21 PM PST by Lil'freeper
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To: Vast Buffalo Wing Conspiracy
VEry good points...and I too find it cringeworthy to use LOTR as a means of pro-war argument.

thing is, I personally think we don't need someone like Tolkien. Americans have their own justifications.

Like September 11, 2001.

Like preventing a known megolomaniac like Saddam getting the nuclear capability.

If Clinton had never happened, would North Korea be doing what they are doing now?

I don't need Tolkien's work to think for me. But I find it just as reprehensible that the leftists are using Tolkien to justify their radical environmentalism (Boyd and Monaghan are now speaking out for Greenpeace), and ANTI-WAR sentiments (Viggo and his t-shirt!). Why do they get a nod, but those who find reason to resist the threats of the Middle East should just shut up and lay back and might as well as enjoy it, right????

I think there are stupid people on both sides.

28 posted on 12/31/2002 12:27:52 PM PST by Alkhin
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To: HairOfTheDog
Thank you, Miss Hair!!
29 posted on 12/31/2002 12:30:56 PM PST by Argh
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To: SkyPilot
Interesting.... Mooney published a different Tolkien article in the Boston Globe the same day:

Boston Globe Online / Sunday | Focus / The ring and the cross

30 posted on 12/31/2002 12:31:29 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: ecurbh
I don't think I'm on your Ring Ping list.....could you add me please?

Thanks. ;^)
31 posted on 12/31/2002 12:32:27 PM PST by ksen
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To: HairOfTheDog
This is the same guy who wrote the article I used for the Daily Tolkien today ---> Kicking the Hobbit

And that article was from June/2001. This guy has been fixating on Tolkien for awhile.

32 posted on 12/31/2002 12:39:41 PM PST by ksen
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To: HairOfTheDog
It's a topical connection that Peter Jackson, the director of the cinematic version of J.R.R. Tolkien's fantasy epic, seems to be inviting. In "The Two Towers," Jackson improvises upon Tolkien's text by introducing an orc suicide bomber at the battle of Helm's Deep.

Didn't Saruman's forces blow up the wall in the book? I don't think PJ was thinking 'suicide bombers' when he filmed the movie, but for the analogy to be correct, the orc would have to have gone down into the caves where the women and children were and THEN blown himself up killing as many innocent civilians as he could.

The journalists of today don't like the fact that Tolkien could so easily define good and evil. They want there to be some sort of 'moral equivalence' between us and the terrorists, and they'll try any torturous route to create one.

33 posted on 12/31/2002 12:40:26 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: ksen
This guy has been fixating on Tolkien for awhile.

Well, I can't fault him for that... HA!

34 posted on 12/31/2002 12:44:02 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: SuziQ; Ramius
Yes, they did blow up the wall in the book...

Even as they spoke there came a blare of trumpets. Then there was a crash and a flash of flame and smoke. The waters of the Deeping-stream poured out hissing and foaming: they were choked no longer, a gaping hole was blasted in the wall. A host of dark shapes poured in.

'Devilry of Saruman!' cried Aragorn. 'They have crept in the culvert again, while we talked, and they have lit the fire of Orthanc beneath our feet. Elendil, Elendil!' he shouted, as he leaped down into the breach; but even as he did so a hundred ladders were raised against the battlements. Over the wall and under the wall the last assault came sweeping like a dark wave upon a hill of sand. The defence was swept away. Some of the Riders were driven back, further and further into the Deep, falling and fighting as they gave way, step by step, towards the caves. Others cut their way back towards the citadel.

And good point... our "Olympic torch runner from Hell", was after a strategic rather than terrorist target... the suicide bomber analogy doesn't hold.

35 posted on 12/31/2002 12:49:59 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
That was not unnoticed by me either! Everything else Legolas hits drops like a bag of sand, but this guy took TWO GOOD HITS and just wouldn't fall!

Jr. tells me that's one of the characters in his TTT video game he can't (yet) kill...

(in other news, I can't read the full article because I refust to register with the Compost...but thanks for the ping)

36 posted on 12/31/2002 1:40:42 PM PST by Corin Stormhands
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To: ksen
I don't think I'm on your Ring Ping list.....could you add me please?

Indeed you weren't - wonder how that happened?

37 posted on 12/31/2002 3:12:57 PM PST by ecurbh
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To: Lil'freeper; HairOfTheDog
I haven't been ignoring your post. Due to my usual insomnia I desperately needed a nap!

I don't know if Miss Hair's heard this. In the Harvard Lampoon satire of LOTR called Bored of the Rings there's a footnote around page 29 about something a king did: "either Arglebargle IV or somebody else". I read this in 1971 then lost the book, but this footnote gave me such a laugh that I remembered it when I first got on the Internet in 1997. So I used to sign on everywhere as "Arglebargle IV", but I got REALLY tired REALLY quickly of explaining it to everyone. So I shortened it to Argh. Weird, huh?

It had nothing to do with Monty Python's castle.

I'm going to get at that article now, Miss Hair.

38 posted on 12/31/2002 3:15:28 PM PST by Argh
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To: ecurbh; 2Jedismom
...wonder how that happened?

You were probably just being a dutiful ping list keeper and only adding those who specifically ask. I probably forgot to ask. 2JM would be very proud of you. ;^)

39 posted on 12/31/2002 3:28:11 PM PST by ksen
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To: HairOfTheDog
This interpretation has triggered its own backlash. Recently Viggo Mortensen, the actor who plays Aragorn in Jackson's "Lord of the Rings" films, said on "The Charlie Rose Show" that "I don't think that 'The Two Towers' or Tolkien's writing or Peter's work or our work has anything to do with the United States's foreign ventures at this time."

I guess it would be inappropriate to remind folks that I never did like him as Aragorn.

WFTR
Bill

40 posted on 12/31/2002 3:47:23 PM PST by WFTR
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