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My tax money at work, I suppose. Common sense is apparently not common these days.

Regards, Ivan


1 posted on 12/29/2002 5:16:30 PM PST by MadIvan
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2 posted on 12/29/2002 5:16:47 PM PST by MadIvan
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To: MadIvan
From article: Marriage is more damaging to a woman's well-being than a man's because it offers her fewer immediate personal benefits, says research by a Government-funded group.

Is this because the divorce laws allow women to cash out just like in America? And why is it that this study used divorced couples as the study group? Did they consider conditions before marriage?

9 posted on 12/29/2002 5:27:18 PM PST by Diplomat
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To: MadIvan
What a crock.

No one suffers from marriage more than men.

The day that women don't wish for marriage is a day that we single guys will turn into a national holiday. The only thing that a man can get out of marriage is an invoice from the state on behalf of his dependants who expect lifetime support in exchange for not having to stick around and watch them grow old.

Best to avoid the whole ballgame.

11 posted on 12/29/2002 5:30:17 PM PST by BuddhaBoy
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To: MadIvan
Well then, the Solomonic solution for men and women is to avoid marriage like the plague. Nice to see agreement between the sexes.
20 posted on 12/29/2002 5:36:49 PM PST by guitfiddlist
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To: MadIvan
Well, I guess these poor wimmin will just have to GFT's.

FMCDHa Man very happily married to a REAL WOMAN)

21 posted on 12/29/2002 5:37:00 PM PST by nothingnew
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To: MadIvan
I know what women do when they don't get married:

They get fixed up by their married friends.

They get invited to parties and gatherings by their married friends who feel sorry for them.

They go on vacation with single girlfriends.

They buy things guys want to buy, like RVs and jet skis.

They buy birthday presents for other peoples kids and grandkids.

They become very close with their pets.

They get a little weird.
26 posted on 12/29/2002 5:39:35 PM PST by SBprone
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To: MadIvan
Hmmmm..... Men get shafted by marriage too. I saw this posted recently:


„h Pro-choice only refers to the woman. The child and father have no rights.
„h A pregnant woman can force a man to be a father, but a man cannot force a woman to be a mother. She may terminate a pregnancy at any time, but a man has no means of compelling her to save a child he wants.
„h To some women you are worth nothing more than a donor and checkbook
„h The courts do not really give a damn about the child or father
„h The courts do not care if you are not the father once you have begun paying child support (see http://www.paternityfraud.com )
„h It is much easier to be declared an "unfit father" than an "unfit mother"
„h As far as everyone else cares, there is no special bond between father and child. A child without a mother lives a tragic existence. A child without a father is going to be just fine



by Raymond Hughes (RR 2 Box 475, Claremont, NH 03743; 603-542-2708); published Father's Day, 1995 in the News Leader, Claremont, NH
What do you say we thumb through some statistics for Father's Day? Here's a good one--twenty-five million children in the U.S. (40%) living without fathers. What's shocking about that, given all the hype about deadbeat dads?
Except, those 25,000,000 children weren't exactly abandoned by their fathers since over 80% of the divorces are filed by women, who get custody 90% of the time. Or the fact that fathers pay child support in full 90% of the time when both parents are awarded joint custody. Modify that to visitation "privileges," and the rate drops to 78%. Take away all fatherly contact and that's when the deadbeat dads show up--only 40% pay support.
Gee, how surprising, take a guy's kids completely away and he stops paying for them. Further inflating deadbeat dad statistics are things like the fact many of them actually are, dead, others have moved back in but the files haven't been upgraded, not to mention, about 690,000 of the 1.2 million-plus prisoners in this country are fathers.
But, male bashing in the media is such popular sport, dads as a whole are routinely maligned. We've just lived through the worst of what I call the "Disposable Dad" decade, just now abating. A telling interview was that of Princeton researcher Sarah McClanahan on Peter Jennings recently.In 1980 she began research to prove women could single parent without fathers--you know, the Murphy Brown myth. After a decade's research, she was forced to rewrite her thesis statement and admit that parenting without fathers is on par with child abuse.
The most insulting thing is that anyone ever assumed you could do it without fathers. The reality is that 70% of American prisoners grew up without fathers, and teen pregnancies are over double in fatherless families. A host of other social ills follow suit.
But, when the current socio-legal mind set is to throw the bum out if he isn't a perfect guy, it's no wonder so many aren't home.
I wrote a tongue-in-cheek column not long ago about spousal abuse. The serious joke is that advocates actually believe it's abusive if a man yells, or is emotionally abusive if he withholds affection, and that these things are grounds for battering charges.
These same advocates mislead the public into thinking domestic violence is a male trait, never mentioning studies like that by the Journal of Marriage and Family which found1.8 million women annually, but 2 million men annually are subject to one or more assaults from their spouse or live in.
Or the Children's Rights Coalition survey of state child-protective service agencies which found that mothers abuse children at a rate almost double men.
Or a widely-quoted study by UNH researcher Murray Straus that concludes women are more likely to be initiators of violence. Yet, it is women who can almost get a restraining order over the phone, then fathers who are sentenced without a trial to the gutter.
In Claremont, if a woman gets a restraining order, and according to one local lawyer, "they give them out like candy," the man is simply presumed guilty, given about 15 minutes to get his personal belongings and left out on the street. And, if he violates that restraining order, say, by going to see his children, he could be thrown in jail.
New Hampshire's most famous "batterer," Stephen Sarno, who hit his wife when he caught her in bed with another man, got 90 days in jail six months later for writing her three letters--three letters she said he could write, then turned him in for violating the restraining order. In the letters, by the way, Steve is merely asking his wife to bury the hatchet enough to work out what is best for the children. of course, Stephen is up against the same unit millions of other fathers are up against, and what father's rights advocates call "malcontent moms." These are mothers who routinely interfere with whatever meager visitation the father gets. Mothers who routinely falsely accuse fathers of stalking, sexual assault, abuse, non-payment of support.
Between 1989 and 1991 false accusations of child molestations against fathers rose almost 500%. A previous study found that up to 90% of all child molestation accusations against fathers were unfounded. There is almost never a penalty for false accusations.
Is it any wonder many dads simply drop out?
And, if the father does get the children, he'll probably get no support. According to the U.S. Dept. of Health and Human Services, of 2,000,000 custodial fathers in the country caring for 3,000,000 children, and 488,000 rearing children born out of wedlock, only 80,000 receive any child support at all. That's about three percent.
So, when you read that Gordon and Marcia Clark are having custody problems, remember, it's probably not Gordon the deadbeat dad who didn't want the children, but Marcia the malcontent mom who didn't want him to have them. Though he had time and desire, she wanted him to pay a babysitter.
Next time you hear about deadbeat dads, come down to Monadnock Park and meet some dads who can't work on their kid's skills at home because they don't live in that home with their kids.
Somehow, the state and media got together and decided the only thing dads were good for was support money, and they buried the real story--fathers systematically denied access to their own flesh and blood. Since women control most purchasing decisions in families, perhaps this is why the media has tailored sponsorship-luring content accordingly?
31 posted on 12/29/2002 5:42:13 PM PST by End The Hypocrisy
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To: MadIvan
"Research among more than 2,000 divorced couples found that women had to make a greater adjustment to marriage than men."

What it really found was that divorced women complain more than divorced men.
33 posted on 12/29/2002 5:42:45 PM PST by Poser
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To: MadIvan
Ya know... not to sound like a He-Man Woman-Hater or anything, but if women didn't have, well, you know, we'd probably be hunting them like deer...

;0)
44 posted on 12/29/2002 5:48:42 PM PST by Chad Fairbanks
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To: MadIvan

And the single man won't likewise have to do housework, cook his own meals, wash his own clothes and on and on so on and so forth?

Idiots.

You should demand your tax money back Ivan. RIGHT NOW!

75 posted on 12/29/2002 6:03:11 PM PST by Jhoffa_
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I ain't ever getting married. What I can tell the women get to nag the man to death after the ceremony. There is no way a single man is less happy than a married man unless he is some gas station attendent. The way I see it, if a man can live alone, his house is his office. He runs the boat, no nagging and no worries about what will happen to others if a decision is made. Kids??? One word, CLONE.
91 posted on 12/29/2002 6:07:41 PM PST by Porterville
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To: MadIvan
My wife would disagree with the conclusion of this study...I think...

Seriously though, what do women have to gain from the "give the man free milk and don't even hope he'll buy the cow" co-habitation (that liberals love so much) that they can't get from marriage?

189 posted on 12/30/2002 10:46:51 AM PST by Mr. Silverback
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