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Elizabeth Smart Thread, 9/26/02 to ???

Posted on 09/26/2002 12:34:48 AM PDT by stlnative

NEW THREAD - PING WHOM EVER YOU LIKE - I DON'T PING ANYMORE - SORRY


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KEYWORDS: elizabethsmart
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To: anatolfz
No, but I have gotten them. And (sniff!) Palladin says I have no "clout" and can just get banned any old time. What a lot of silliness it all is. I mean, really--as if getting someone "banned" were some sort of goal for some people, or something. As if getting someone banned somehow really physically did something to them!

Seems people come to a thread, post avidly, then fall away for a while. I can see now why some of the regulars--from both sides of the usual point of argument--fall away from time to time. It's so circular, it can get boring at times.
861 posted on 10/01/2002 10:02:02 AM PDT by Devil_Anse
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To: Devil_Anse
You use of the word "hate" in connection with the Smarts is incorrect, inappropriate and irrelevant.
862 posted on 10/01/2002 10:09:08 AM PDT by varina davis
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To: varina davis
Your
863 posted on 10/01/2002 10:10:50 AM PDT by varina davis
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To: varina davis
No, no, Varina--the phrase is

"incompetent, irrelevant, and immaterial."

Haven't you ever watched Perry Mason?
864 posted on 10/01/2002 10:30:38 AM PDT by Devil_Anse
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To: Neenah
Libel? Most times it is simply not geting the facts straight. There is no intent to defraud or defame intentiionally, just sloppy journalism.

Occassionaly there is out and out libel. I had one of those incidents once too and should have taken legal action but didn't.

As far as your agrument with Sandude goes, I decline to get in the middle of it as it does me no good to label anyone "smart haters" or "smart lovers".

I just want to know what happened, where ES is, and what might be done to prevent these things from happening.

I have found it is easy for me to criticize those who are doing something only to find out later my criticism was totally off base. So I try not to be too critical of any of the posters here as they are all coming from different life experiences. If I can help someone understand something better from my perspective or from something I know that might help them understand I will do so. Otherwise I remain quiet in the world of lurking!

865 posted on 10/01/2002 10:52:17 AM PDT by landerwy
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To: Neenah
Gasp! Choke! Chuckle....Neenah, your photo and headline of the finish to the Marathon is priceless!
866 posted on 10/01/2002 11:02:04 AM PDT by Palladin
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To: landerwy
I agree with you landerwy. And I stand alongside you in wanting to know about Elizabeth.
867 posted on 10/01/2002 11:30:03 AM PDT by Neenah
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To: Devil_Anse
Haven't you ever watched Perry Mason?

Not if I could help it.

868 posted on 10/01/2002 11:33:57 AM PDT by varina davis
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To: All
From today's Deseret News:

Smarts heading to D.C. to push protection of kids

Bush to host the conference on missing children

By Pat Reavy
Deseret News staff writer

The family of kidnap victim Elizabeth Smart was en route to the Washington, D.C., Tuesday to push for ways to protect the nation's children.

Ed and Lois Smart, Elizabeth's parents, boarded a plane in Salt Lake City at 8:30 a.m. Tuesday to go to nation's capital for the first-ever White House Conference on Missing, Exploited and Runaway Children. President Bush will host the event.

The one-day conference will be held Wednesday at the Ronald Reagan Building and International Trade Center. The conference will focus on child kidnappings, pornography, sex trafficking of children, runaways and Internet safety.

Ed and Lois Smart were invited to attend the conference, which will include other families of children who have been victimized, as well as federal, state and local officials.

Elizabeth Smart's uncle and aunts, David Smart, Angela Smart and Heidi Smart, were also traveling to Washington, D.C., Tuesday. The group flew into New York and was driving the rest of the way.

The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children (NCMEC) was also scheduled to take part in the conference. Speaking to the Deseret News Tuesday morning while driving from New York to Washington, David Smart said he would met with the NCMEC Wednesday and tour their facility.

Smart hopes the success of www.elizabethsmart.com can be used to help other families.

Ed Smart, meanwhile, feels optimistic and hopeful going to Wednesday's conference, David Smart said.

"His main goal, in addition to finding Elizabeth, is to help other kids who may have to go through this as far as protection goes," he said.

The Smarts planned to lobby for a national Amber Alert system and push for the Comprehensive Child Protection Act of 2002, a bill that is co-sponsored by Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah.

A broader definition of a convicted sex offender, extension of the statute of limitations in sex offenses involving children and an increase in the penalties for certain sex-related offenses are some of the proposals made for the Child Protection Act.

As of Tuesday, Ed Smart was not scheduled to speak at the conference or meet with the president. But David Smart said Tuesday, "I wouldn't be surprised if something happened."

Elizabeth Smart, 14, was kidnapped at gunpoint from the bedroom of her Federal Heights home June 5. There have been no arrests in the case and no sign of Elizabeth.

While the Smarts are still looking for answers to the kidnapping, they also would like to get answers into what appeared to be an attempted break-in at the house of Lois Smart's sister, Jeannie Wright.

The screen leading to the bedroom of Elizabeth's cousin was cut horizontally and vertically at her Cottonwood Heights home, near 6900 South and 2700 East, July 27. There was also a chair by the window, according to a police report.

"We still have not received any answers on who broke into the Wrights' house. That has been quiet. That's still a real important thing that we need to get some closure on," David Smart said Tuesday.

869 posted on 10/01/2002 11:49:08 AM PDT by Utah Girl
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To: freedox; Devil_Anse
I checked back, though.....I see it was properly addressed to sandude. I trust that he will take it in the spirit in which it was intended. Thanks for your comments, anyway.

As I am quite busy today at work, I can't take the time to respond right now. I'm glad that D_A has taken the time to comment. I'll get to it when I can.

870 posted on 10/01/2002 12:13:17 PM PDT by sandude
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To: Palladin; Neenah; partialpressures
Whatcha chokin' on, Palladin?

Hey guys--can you say "Mutual Admiration Society?"
871 posted on 10/01/2002 12:25:53 PM PDT by Devil_Anse
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To: Devil_Anse
In my research on this Owens is the name that keeps cropping up.

However; My research has taken me into another avenue all together and I just thought I would bring it up. (It does not have to do with any of the Smart family or Owen family, I dont want anyone jumping to conclusions on that.) My research has to do with the Mine in which noone believes me about, but I am finding that more than likely Kingstons owned that Silver Mine.

My belief is this:
If Elizabeth is Dead she is in a mine.

If Elizabeth is Alive, Where is she? This is a big question because no one has seen her and there was no ransom note that we know of. I believe she is with someone who regarded her as a special angel and wanted her for his own. Making her his wife would make this happen for him.

I have found in reading that the Kingston Clan believe in In Bred wifes-meaning they have to keep there blood pure for the line of Kingston. It stated that is why they marry within their own family. If you are part of the polygamy group and not a Kingston it is stated that wifes are hard to find. The kingstons reside in Colorado. ONCE AGAIN I AM NOT BLAMING THE KINGSTONS FOR ELIZABETHS DISAPPEARANCE.

I am wondering about persons who want to be apart of the Kingstons but dont really live by their laws. I found an article and this is what it states:

Thompson and Palmer are deeply concerned about minor children who have been shipped across the border to become wives of men old enough to be their fathers. They say at least 45 teenage girls have been sent to Canada to marry polygamist men. Some 15 Canadian girls have likewise been sent in the other direction to marry U.S. men. One girl was 13 the rest were 14 to 16. ''No one ever looks at what happens to the women, they never see the heartache or the inward soul of the women who are dragged into it,'' said David Leavitt, a Utah attorney who successfully prosecuted polygamist Thomas Green, whose fifth wife was also his 13-year-old step-daughter.
http://www.rickross.com/reference/polygamy/polygamy82.html
872 posted on 10/01/2002 12:52:05 PM PDT by scaredkat
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To: All
Sorry I meant for my last post to be to all
873 posted on 10/01/2002 12:55:47 PM PDT by scaredkat
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To: scaredkat
ALL of these cases involved girls who were raised in the sects. The only "kidnappings" have been of girls who grew up in the sect and tried to run away, and those "kidnappings" were done with the consent of the girls' fathers (and usually of their mothers as well, though their vote wouldn't count for much in these groups).
874 posted on 10/01/2002 2:34:48 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Utah Girl
Words fail me. At least temporarily.
875 posted on 10/01/2002 3:09:36 PM PDT by varina davis
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To: Utah Girl
Thanks, Utah Girl.
876 posted on 10/01/2002 3:11:13 PM PDT by Devil_Anse
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To: varina davis
Words fail me. At least temporarily.

Someone with connections to DC arranged this?

877 posted on 10/01/2002 3:16:53 PM PDT by Bella
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To: varina davis
Not if I could help it.

Well, that certainly speaks volumes, LOL!

878 posted on 10/01/2002 3:26:10 PM PDT by Jolly Green
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To: Jolly Green
Perhaps she is a Judge Joe Brown aficionado.
879 posted on 10/01/2002 3:29:20 PM PDT by Devil_Anse
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To: jandji
The circumstantial evidence pointing to family coverup is huge, based on conflicting quotes reported in national media sources, many from live interviews with family.

Congratulations!!! You win. That is one of the most moronic posts on FR in several months.

880 posted on 10/01/2002 3:33:06 PM PDT by Jolly Green
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