Elizabeth Smart Thread, 9/26/02 to ???

[stlnative]

NEW THREAD - PING WHOM EVER YOU LIKE - I DON'T PING ANYMORE - SORRY

[varina davis]

And who would this be varina?

Well, sandude, since I have to spell it out, just ask yourself who has the most to lost by an expose'.

[jandji]

if he knew the cash was there while he was doing electrical work that day? he would've taken it then, especially if you subscribe to the "drug crazed ex-con" theory. as far as inside info to ricci not confessing to this "burglary", ricci pleaded "not guilty" to this charge in court.

[sandude]

Not likely such a story would see the light of day in SLC. Look what happened to the NE.

Yes, it's amazing what decent people banding together can accomplish.

[lakey]

Ed says of Mary Katherine that she "acts almost like it never happened." In only 4 months!

[jandji]

so ricci was bringing the jeep back to totally implicate himself in this monster crime?

[varina davis]

Yes, it's amazing what decent people banding together can accomplish.

Yes, isn't it. Sometimes so-called "decent people" can band together to stamp out truth.

[jandji]

you mean at the same time $1,000 bracelets are missing from your home, and you fire all THREE men working in your house, and have contacted the police. the police clear ricci at that time, etc.

[sandude]

The case stinks and you know it!

I have based my speculation around Richard Ricci because that is who the police named as the most likely suspect. Not me, or Jolly, or Sherlock, or Devil, but Law Enforcement made this determination. When I look at all of the information that we have on Richard I can understand why he was of interest to LE in this case. If the day comes that LE names another potential suspect then I will examine the issues surrounding that individual. What separates us is that I trust that LE is doing their job. There have been errors for sure but nothing on the level of negligence that you and others foster. If the family is involved I think it would have come out by now. I could be wrong but I’m not ready to support any wild eyed theories that have absolutely no basis in fact. In our society there is supposed to be a presumption of innocence. Many on this thread forget this principle. It is alright to speculate about whatever as long as it has some kind of foundation in reality. The speculator should also be prepared to answer reasoned challenges. Too many times it seems more like mad dogs going after a piece of meat whenever anybody has some "dirt" on the Smart family.

[sandude]

for instance, having an excon who is often late and not trustworthy work at your house, and be around your children.....

The Smarts had no knowledge of Ricci's criminal background and were apparently conned by him. They liked him, trusted him, and couldn't believe that he was involved with Elizabeth’s abduction until he pulled his stonewall act with them and LE.

[lakey]

Ever notice how much more silence says...they're scratching their heads for a rebuttal...??

[lakey]

Ah, well, first time I've been wrong this week.

[sandude]

Ed says of Mary Katherine that she "acts almost like it never happened." In only 4 months!

Please consult with a child psychologist on this. You will find the reason why Ed is concerned for Mary Katherine.

[Devil_Anse]

Varina, ordinarily I don't care who answers whom (as some posters do) and to me it's just a mix of conversation. I am not knocking your attempt to answer this (the way I often do.) But I wanted to ask Palladin this. I am actually trying to figure out the scenario Palladin seems to be suggesting here.

As to your idea of running away, okay--why didn't the diary keeper, though an adult, run away (divorce him, leave him, raise hell, etc.)?

[lakey]

"presumption of innocence" - what in the world do you think we've been talking about. There's nothing on Ricci or he would have been indicted by the Grand Jury!

[varina davis]

Sandude, you sound like a fairly reasonable person. Don't engineers ever think outside the box? You're a member of freerepublic, so I can't think you're one of the sheeple, who blindly accepts whatever canned info is handed out.

[sandude]

There's nothing on Ricci or he would have been indicted by the Grand Jury!

There is plenty on Richard. Perhaps it's nothing more than circumstatial evidence, who knows. That's a hell of a lot more than there is on anyone else at this point.

[varina davis]

As to your idea of running away, okay--why didn't the diary keeper, though an adult, run away (divorce him, leave him, raise hell, etc.)? I don't believe anyone had stated who kept a diary. Might not have been a wife! (Palladin has already said "goodnight")

[Devil_Anse]

OOOOOO! The Archive! (cue baroque music...)

Sorry, I thought for a minute it was a pic of Palladin's secret vault of National Enquirers. I was in awe.

Yeah, you know, the National Enquirer had become kind of a cliche in the public mind when they thought of tabloids, and it was viewed with a very jaundiced eye. Then, I seem to remember they got a thing or two right during the Lewinsky business. They seem to have gained a lot of credibility by this. But we should remember that the "mainstream press", had more reason to lie about its idol Clinton, than it does about, say, this case.

I agree, we ought to remember that for every hit, the National Enquirer has...how many misses? Shall we start counting? Or there can be a half-truth which is inflated into a big story...

[lakey]

You better go back & read the Tribune article again. Slice it open & you'll see Ed is squirming for a way out. Mary Katherine acts as if "it" never happened, because IT didn't happen. That's why they've kept her quiet.

And the more Ed opens his mouth, the more obvious he is. And I'll betcha Tom knows, too, as well as the police & the LDS.

[sandude]

I can't think you're one of the sheeple, who blindly accepts whatever canned info is handed out.

I'm not blind and I'm willing to look at any angle. At this point I have seen nothing to impeach the investigation by the SLPD/FBI. I believe that there are reporters who are watching their efforts. So far I don't see any smoke let alone a fire. Maybe LE is going to spring the big surprise and finger somebody new in this. I hope they find whoever is responsible. Let the chips fall where they may. You and your crew can blow on all you want but I will challenge you when I feel the need. I see nothing to implicate the family in this crime. Did Ed Smart do some dumb things? Yes. Does that rise to the criminal? No.