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Elizabeth Smart Thread, 9/26/02 to ???
Posted on 09/26/2002 12:34:48 AM PDT by stlnative
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TOPICS: Chit/Chat
KEYWORDS: elizabethsmart
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To: jandji
Well, it was never proved in a court of law.
I heard he confessed to it.
We don't really know much of anything as a fact in this case. How do we even really know that Ricci had prior convictions? Have any of us ever seen the certified copies of them? Yet we take that as a given. We have to take some things as a given in order to try to figure out the case.
But we should be ready to throw out what we think we "know" if we find out differently later.
I have in the past tried to frame my thoughts on this in terms of "maybe" and "perhaps." I have been told by others that I shouldn't use those words. I used to always say "alleged" when talking about the crimes mentioned here, the ones that hadn't been proven in a court of law. I have slipped on this, b/c I have seen so many people speaking in absolutes.
I will tell you my opinion, however. My opinion is that Ricci was a convicted criminal, and a scumbag.
To: Devil_Anse
When did they find out he pawned it, and why was he not charged right after they found out? No need to rush. They already had him locked back up on his parole violation.
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posted on
09/30/2002 3:50:04 AM PDT
by
sandude
To: home educate
Ed threatened to take the jeep away, but he never did or Ricci would not have been able to come to work. That's an interesting thought. Suppose Ed did indeed drive the jeep away that day. Let's look at it from Ricci's point of view--that "jerk" took the jeep back, guess the deal is off, I don't have any wheels, he'd better not expect me to come around working for him if I don't even have transportation, f--- him and the horse he rode in on!
On the other hand, we hear that Ricci did indeed come back to work for Ed.
To: jandji
Yes, the part about RICHARD RICCI. Also the beginning part. And your point?
To: jandji
Well, how do you think heroin addicts who are short of money and need a fix get money quickly?
To: jandji
No, Sue Ann Adams knew Ricci had been doing electrical work in that very room, that very day.
Lin Lee thought the person who woke her up was someone from the family.
Ricci's confession to this burglary is "positive evidence" implicating him. Or do you have inside info that he didn't confess to it, contrary to what we've heard from the media and in the sworn affidavits in support of the indictment of Ricci for this burglary?
Are you saying Ricci never, ever broke the law in his life? If so, how do you know that?
To: jandji
Or to a bank--that's where the money is, you know. Or would pilfer from people he knew. Don't tell me a heroin addict wouldn't pilfer from people he knew. I know they will.
To: jandji
Unless it wasn't really being brought back for repairs...
To: Devil_Anse
What's the matter, Sandude? Oh--you mean you don't stamp the date on your seatcovers every time you touch them?I don't know about you, but I only date-stamp the DNA samples themselves. Oh yes and I would like a receipt for that please.
To: jandji
Who knows what the background was of every single person who ever worked for Ed Smart?
Who knows what the background is of every single person working for the neighbors I have down the street and around the corner who are re-doing a house with major renovations? I don't think those neighbors know the background of every single person who lifts a hammer in that house. Lots of contractors and subcontractors use day labor. If they didn't, guys like Ricci couldn't get this sort of work--unless the majority of people were like Ed Smart, and clearly didn't care about detailed backgrounds on every guy who did work for them.
And if you hire a guy and he turns out not to have too good a background, or he takes your jeep after you've made a contract with him and doesn't return, you're supposed to automatically fire his butt and tell him off, thus making this person of dubious background angry at you?
To: anatolfz
ROFLMAO!!!
Hey, good thought: next time I pay someone cash and have them sign a receipt, I think I'll have them put their thumbprint next to their signature, like the bank does with checks!
To: sandude
No need to rush. They already had him locked back up on his parole violation. Let's think about this, though. The bracelet went missing around June, 2001. I think the Smarts would surely have made a police report if they were filing an insurance claim. (Although jewelry might not have been covered by their homeowner's if there wasn't a special rider for it...who knows if they had such a thing for that piece of jewelry?) Anyway, I'm going on the assumption that they reported it to police after they discovered its theft.
At that time, you'd think the police would send a notice to pawnshops in the area, describing the stolen goods.
When it turned up at a pawnshop, seems the pawnshop would then be required to report that to police. Seems the pawnshop wouldn't want to themselves be guilty of possessing stolen goods.
At that point, if the pawnshop had a record of Ricci pawning it, seems the police could have made a case on Ricci for receiving/possessing stolen goods.
The question is, in my mind, when did Ricci pawn the bracelet? When were the police informed by the pawnshop that something mentioned in a police notice had been pawned? Or did the police fail to send out such a notice on the stolen bracelet?
To: Devil_Anse
The question is, in my mind, when did Ricci pawn the bracelet? It is hard to say for sure. It sounds like LE discovered the pawned bracelet during the investigation of Elizabeth's abduction.
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posted on
09/30/2002 4:36:49 AM PDT
by
sandude
To: sandude
Yes, doesn't sound like they did much on the original theft report.
Sounds like they were like our police force (which BTW is a good one, in spite of what I say in this post.)
Someone once threw a big rock through a picture window in a back room of our home. A purse had been visible on the table inside the picture window. We were right there (in another room) at the time, with lights and TV on and cars in the driveway!
It sounded like an explosion, and I can tell you that the first thing I did was NOT run to the room the sound came from, but head towards the bedrooms where the babies and my elderly relative were sleeping, thinking they might need to be gotten out of the house.
We called the police, of course, and they came out.
I found a tiny piece of glass with blood on it, but no one cared.
Later neighbors told us they heard the proverbial roaring car engine taking off from the street, right around the time this happened. We were too preoccupied and terrorized to notice that.
No word on the purse for a year. Then some person called and told me that "some kids" had found it in some woods behind an apartment building, and I could come and get it. I called police and asked them to meet me there. When we got there, I stayed in my car and let the police go in and get the purse. Of course there was no money left in it. That's all that ever happened.
People think the police "dust for fingerprints" and go around collecting forensics at every crime scene. That just isn't necessarily true.
To: home educate
The scamming part is also irrelevant here since Ed went to Ricci's apartment to have him come back and finish the work.Why is it irrelevant? He said in the interview he believed Ricci was scamming him and he did indeed have young children in his home.
All of your responses to my posts are weird and mostly inaccurate, but this one was the worst.
To: home educate
Well, I guess we all know who home educate is now.
To: Devil_Anse
Unfortunately, not a single one of your responses are convincing.
To: varina davis
It is very hard to convince people who are out of touch with reality, and even harder to convince people who believe "there are no absolutes", of anything.
If you don't wish to read my posts, I suggest you skip over them, as I am trying to do with yours. Or you can always push the abuse button again, and try to get me banned b/c I don't kowtow to your every whim. If you do, then those who care know where I can be found.
To: varina davis
All of your responses to my posts... Well, you sure told HIM!! I guess that settles it. You sure got the last word on that one.
To: Devil_Anse
DA, don't forget to have them drip some blood on the dated receipt, too! :-)
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