Elizabeth Smart Thread, 9/26/02 to ???

[stlnative]

NEW THREAD - PING WHOM EVER YOU LIKE - I DON'T PING ANYMORE - SORRY

[Jolly Green]

For the record, Devil_Anse has twisted and misconstrued yet another of my posts.......sighhhhhhhhh.

For the record, Devil_Anse is usually right on the mark. I've never seen her (if I recall correctly) "twist" or "misconstrue" anything. She has the logical mind of a DA. Imagine that.

[Devil_Anse]

From Brigette's collection. In the last article at this cite: "Ricci blamed his problems on drugs, saying he has 'an addictive personality.'"

This is the article that tells how Ricci's parole was delayed once for months, b/c he had "used drugs while in prison, while part of a prison firefighting
crew."http://pub37.ezboard.com/felizabethsmartcaseforumfrm13.showMessage?topicID=8.topic

[freedox]

"Here's an article, which I know you've seen, that says the SL Tribune has interviewed something like 28 investigators, and they use those interviews as the basis for saying that Ricci was a hard-core heroin addict who targeted the Smart home for theft in 2001 b/c he needed quick cash."

Not exactly, Devil. What the reporters for the Salt Lake Tribune are doing is painting a scenario of the night of Elizabeth's disappearance. Let's take a look at what that article actually says.....

The Salt Lake Tribune has pieced together the following scenario based on interviews with more than a dozen investigators on the case:
Ricci, 48, whose criminal history dates back three decades, was a hard-core heroin addict with a costly habit. In need of easy cash, he targeted the Smart home, where he had worked odd jobs for the family a year or so earlier......
(At this point, the writers continue their speculation on how Ricci might have carried out the burglary/abduction)......
But the problem with the above scenario is that no physical evidence has been found to back it up. All police have is Ricci's past behavior and suspicious alibi......
In fact, a minority of police investigators interviewed by The Tribune expressed skepticism over this scenario."

Once again, Devil, what has been requested by several posters is documentation that Ricci was using/addicted to drugs at the time of Elizabeth's disappearance. The Salt Lake Tribune writers were simply providing a speculative scenario, based upon interviews with investigators. They acknowledge that their speculation is based upon Ricci's PAST behavior.

[Jolly Green]

I don't see why you have a problem with this. It is as credible as any of her other posts.

[lakey]

250,000 population kinda boggles my mind. Been a long time since I was there. Encouraging to know the area has a good paper, following an unsolved crime.

Palmdale/Lancaster...Lockheed...one of my in-laws worked there. Fun times visiting them, rides on his Harley.

The Mojave is beautiful in the springtime when poppies & other wildflowers are in bloom.

[Sherlock]

Read post 234.

[freedox]

""Ricci blamed his problems on drugs, saying he has 'an addictive personality.'" This is the article that tells how Ricci's parole was delayed once for months, b/c he had "used drugs while in prison, while part of a prison firefighting."

Right.....this parole hearing was in Novemeber, 1999, I believe. Got anything more recent?

[Sherlock]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,56167,00.html

"Colmes: All right, it was also reported today that this was a man who told his parole officer he was in a substance abuse program, but then it turned out he was not in a substance abuse program."

This is Devil_Anse' post 234, do you get it this time?

[Devil_Anse]

Freedox, what if Ricci's parole officer had filed a request for revocation of his parole in early June, with the following alleged violations: 1) possession of alcohol, in violation of terms of probation, 2) failure to complete drug rehab (which is the same as using, yes, it is--if you are consistently not using, they don't care if you didn't do your rehab, b/c you are already "rehabbed"), 3) new offense (his confessions to burglary and theft--the new offense needn't be proved to constitute grounds for parole violation.)

Then suppose it was discovered (perhaps through urine tests, of which I'm sure Ricci had a lot, they'd have been required), right around June 5, all the way up to June 14, that Ricci's urine was "clean."

At that point, the parole officer would have removed the ground of failure to complete drug rehab. He didn't--b/c every article we see has that thing in it about one of the grounds for parole violation having been "failure to complete rehab. program."

Alcohol rehab? What sort of programs ARE there for court-ordered alcohol rehab? They are inpatient programs, the 28-day type of thing. We have never heard a thing about Ricci being in one of these. Ricci was signed up for drug rehab, b/c it was a condition of his parole. No, AA is not a court-ordered alcohol rehab program, or at least it is not monitored and no one's parole could ever be violated for failure to "complete" AA, b/c AA will never tell any court whether or not a person has been attending, due to their policy of complete confidentiality.

Don't forget, one of the articles said Ricci had said his drug-abuse preference was for heroin or "prescription medicines." Could an addict really live in a home w/ Soma without taking one now and then? Well, there's a 1% chance he could...

[Sherlock]

Did you drive to Flag to see George Bush speak today?

[jandji]

jogging the night before the disappearance? after the award assembly? not likely. before the award assembly? liz was scheduled to perform, and would've been getting her harp in tune, packing it in the hardshell case, stage clothes, hair, etc...and as we know, they were too late for liz to perform. this performance would've been a very big deal for liz.

[Devil_Anse]

One of Government Shrinker's points was that the FBI had lived in the Smart home for a time. Has that one been proved to your satisfaction? Seems to me someone recently posted a source for that. If not, I think there's a source out there.

[lakey]

From which police academy did you receive your "sleuthing" degree?

[Sherlock]

Why, over the pond at Stockland Yard, of course.

[freedox]

Ricci's house, vehicles and workplace were all thoroughly searched by LE following Ricci's arrest. This was done with Ricci's permission. No mention was ever made of any illicit drugs or drug paraphernalia being found, nor were any drug possession charges filed against Ricci. If Ricci had been actively using illicit drugs at the time of his arrest, it would have been easily detected. Why would it not have been reported?

[jandji]

ed called boylan and begged her to help, right after the "abduction". tom smart wouldn't allow boylan near mk.

[lakey]

No.

[Devil_Anse]

a scenario based on interviews with more than a dozen investigators on the case

Interviews with more than a dozen investigators in this case? That's not good enough for you? Do you claim to know more than the investigators in this case? Why are you spinning your wheels and our wheels with this small question, which seems to depend on whether Ricci actually had a syringe stuck in his arm when the police came to arrest him?

Yes, heaven forbid we would speculate based on someone's PAST behavior. It's better to speculate based on that than to speculate based on some strange dislike for the Smarts b/c they are too "white" or too "perfect-looking" or too "wholesome-acting." (I'm SPECULATING about what the motive might be for the preference for Ricci over the Smarts.)

And better, I guess, to speculate based on some strange attachment to a low-life, dirtball, repeat-criminal who used his wife, used his employer Smart, used his employer Mitchell (for example, wonder whose posthole digger that was), used the memory of his little dead son (when the boy's mother Robin White said on TV that Ricci never paid a bit of attention to the boy when he was alive, and certainly didn't support him), used his running buddy Remington (convenient name to give police about Federal Hgts. jobs, to take heat off himself), and used his mechanic (bill still unpaid as of Moul's interviews). Why do you, an intelligent person, go to such lengths to defend the memory of this man? Do you really think you could have trusted this man in any scenario btw you and him, especially the proverbial dark alley? I worry about you. This guy was not Jean Valjean. He wasn't even Al Gore.

[lakey]

If drug paraphenalia had been found in the Ricci trailer, automobiles, or Jeep, you can bet it would have been reported.