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Elizabeth Smart Thread, 9/17/02 to ???

Posted on 09/16/2002 11:10:48 PM PDT by Utah Girl

Just thought I would start a new thread.


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To: varina davis
I never said you said anything derogatory about Lois. What you said is a theory, as good as many others. But another theory is that Angela Ricci was denying, perhaps to herself as well as to others, what she might have known of her own husband's illegal activities. She, too, may have hoped that the bad things might resolve themselves.
761 posted on 09/24/2002 8:11:38 PM PDT by Devil_Anse
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To: Devil_Anse
Can't you type more than one word at a time? If you don't care to, at least don't criticize the efforts of those who are trying to be thorough.

You're being sanctimonious again.

762 posted on 09/24/2002 8:11:51 PM PDT by varina davis
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To: anatolfz
Wasn't that horrible about the child molester/cannibal? I'm so glad he left one poor victim alive, and I hope that victim is there every time the guy tries to get out of confinement, or tries to get more weekend furloughs.

I guess that's a lesson to molesters and murderers: if they leave a living victim, better not make it someone who is almost guaranteed to outlive them and always be around to cry foul if they are ever released!
763 posted on 09/24/2002 8:14:29 PM PDT by Devil_Anse
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To: sandude
"It is our institutions that need protection. The Smarts should be given the benefit of a presumption of innocence."

Presumption of innocence and questioning the testimony of an alleged eye witness to a crime are two entirely different issues, sandude.

BTW, what are the "institutions" that need protection?

764 posted on 09/24/2002 8:15:08 PM PDT by freedox
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To: varina davis
You're being sanctimonious again.

A thousand pardons, Queen of Cryptic Posts!

765 posted on 09/24/2002 8:15:58 PM PDT by Devil_Anse
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To: Devil_Anse
A thousand pardons, Queen of Cryptic Posts!

To the Tower! if you do it again!

766 posted on 09/24/2002 8:17:14 PM PDT by varina davis
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To: Devil_Anse
Can't you type more than one word at a time?

Now...you know I can !

767 posted on 09/24/2002 8:17:22 PM PDT by Neenah
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To: Neenah
Now...you know I can !

Good! Then you can be the Princess of Cryptic.

768 posted on 09/24/2002 8:19:23 PM PDT by varina davis
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To: varina davis
Yes varina, law enforcement should be looked upon as purveyors of truth. We all know that there are times when they foul things up completely and they get a lot of press when they do. But by and far most cases are handled professionally with little or no fanfare. We teach our children to trust police officers for a good reason. The vast majority of them are stand up guys who would lay their lives on the line for us, especially our children. When a cop goes bad he is always prosecuted to the fullest by his brothers in order to purge the problem from the force. If you believe otherwise you are living in a Hollywood dream world where all LE is corrupt. Your whole point tonight has been that LE is either stupid or corrupt and the press in too lazy to expose them. Maybe it's just the opposite. You have no proof otherwise and your innuendo about LE is BASELESS.
769 posted on 09/24/2002 8:21:24 PM PDT by sandude
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To: varina davis
I missed the article about Lois Smart being re-interviewed. This is an important development. Do you have a link? When did this occur? Why is the FBI returning to the family?
770 posted on 09/24/2002 8:21:39 PM PDT by Palladin
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To: freedox; Neenah; Devil_Anse; All
All those long interviews more than a week ago and still no news about the investigation. Does anyone truly think LE or anyone is looking for known criminals?
771 posted on 09/24/2002 8:22:10 PM PDT by varina davis
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To: freedox
BTW, what are the "institutions" that need protection?

Presumtion of innocence and trust in law enforcement.
772 posted on 09/24/2002 8:23:39 PM PDT by sandude
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To: sandude
Your whole point tonight has been that LE is either stupid or corrupt and the press in too lazy to expose them. Maybe it's just the opposite. You have no proof otherwise and your innuendo about LE is BASELESS.

I never said the press is too lazy to expose LE. If it is a lazy press, it's not LE they're sheltering. I've also never said or implied that all of LE is "stupid or corrupt." Not hardly, too many LE in my family.

773 posted on 09/24/2002 8:26:07 PM PDT by varina davis
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To: freedox
What are the "institutions" that need protection?

Without the police, imperfect as they are, we'd be in a world of s--t.

I'm not saying you are starting up stuff about certain religious institutions again, but I would just like to make a point on that. There are a lot of very vociferous people in the country today who are sneering at the supposed "hypocrisy" of certain large churches. These churches are not perfect; far from it. But I wonder if it has ever occurred to some of these people what things would be like if thousands of people, especially young men, weren't being taught day in and day out to not harm others, but instead to turn the other cheek. Some of these young men have literally no other training in how to act, other than what they hear when their grandmothers drag them to Sunday school. If they had never, ever heard of the lifestyle in which a person at least tries not to hurt others, there would be absolutely nothing to keep them from, say, tearing limb-from-limb every person on the street whom they found to be a little bit different.

This literal belief in hell, and in not hurting others, held by some otherwise clueless and aggressive young men, has protected many a loudmouthed, annoying liberal from being attacked by such young men, of that I am sure.

Religious institutions are mechanisms of social order, and they are needed.

774 posted on 09/24/2002 8:27:23 PM PDT by Devil_Anse
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To: Palladin
I missed the article about Lois Smart being re-interviewed.

I think Utah Girl posted a short article from (maybe) the Deseret News, about Lois Smart being interviewed for 3 or 4 hours by FBI. But I don't remember where or when (sounds like a song); If it wasn't Utah Girl, it was someone on this thread.

775 posted on 09/24/2002 8:28:31 PM PDT by varina davis
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To: Devil_Anse
So I wonder if the police have heard any "street talk" about the Smart abduction?

There's obviously nothing new in the case and not likely to be unless Elizabeth is found or her body is found. If her body is stumbled across it will probably be meaningless unless the mud or foliage in the area is tied to evidence from the Jeep which will only be made public to further implicate Ricci, who I believe was an accomplice and possibly involved with what ultimately happened to Elizabeth, but not the person that took her from her bedroom.

Since there's nothing new to discuss I'll just reiterate my view that the SLCPD has known who the kidnapper is since the early days of the case so I don't think they've needed to listen for any street talk other than know what's being said to CTB. By the fact they haven't charged the kidnapper I believe they have no plan to and probably have political reasons for not wanting his identity known, maybe someone who shouldn't have been on the streets and no longer is, maybe because of who he might have been working for. I doubt they could have kept this from the FBI so any hope in the FBI cracking the case is in my view leaning on a reed. I'm sure the family is not involved and don't believe LE is protecting a sexual pervert who is a neighbor, a prominant member of the community, or a Mormon cleric. There could be people the kidnappers worked for, such as organized crime, but there has been no information released by LE to lead to any educated speculations.

776 posted on 09/24/2002 8:29:03 PM PDT by Sherlock
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To: Devil_Anse
Devil, I don't know what you're referring to up there. My question was to sandude, and he and I were nowhere CLOSE to a discussion on church or religion.......that is not my interest here.
777 posted on 09/24/2002 8:32:37 PM PDT by freedox
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To: Devil_Anse
I'm not saying you are starting up stuff about certain religious institutions again,

Excuse me, but I think you would have to hunt the archieves quite awhile to find any post by freedox about religion. I think an apology is in order to her for the "again" word. Just a suggestion...devil.

778 posted on 09/24/2002 8:36:58 PM PDT by Neenah
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To: Sherlock
Hmmmm....quite a change in syntax tonight.
779 posted on 09/24/2002 8:40:41 PM PDT by varina davis
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To: freedox
You left one small word out of your post, Devil..."ARMED"

Maybe the neighbors weren't told about an "armed man." Maybe they were only hurriedly told, "Elizabeth is missing!" Maybe some of the neighbors were themselves armed. Maybe the fact that they thought Elizabeth was at the mercy of a man with a gun made them all the more frantic to find and rescue the helpless girl.

We're not even sure when it was that Ed supposedly found out from Mary Katherine that the man was armed. Remember he said that at first he'd thought she was dreaming, but then he looked for Elizabeth and didn't see her. Maybe at that point he took off out of the house, just knowing Elizabeth was gone, and didn't get back until later to hear the details of what had supposedly happened.

I am not sure I believe the man was really armed. You say you are not sure of that either. Maybe some of the neighbors weren't sure of it, either.

Remember when those searchers, the next day, reported seeing the man and then hearing gunshots? People converged on the spot where the searchers allegedly saw the man. Doesn't sound like they were overly concerned about their own safety. Some people act too quickly in an emergency; most people wouldn't want to be seen turning tail and running away to just hide in their house and refuse to help some poor 14-yr-old girl. Also, I'm sure they all thought that quick action might solve the whole thing before Elizabeth came to harm.

780 posted on 09/24/2002 8:41:40 PM PDT by Devil_Anse
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