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Elizabeth Smart Thread, 9/17/02 to ???

Posted on 09/16/2002 11:10:48 PM PDT by Utah Girl

Just thought I would start a new thread.


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To: Palladin
If it is true that SLCPD wants to cold-case this already, what would be their reasoning?

One big guess, Palladin.

721 posted on 09/24/2002 7:12:13 PM PDT by varina davis
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To: sandude
Well, that's the second request I've seen so far for this "inside information." I can't wait to hear it.
722 posted on 09/24/2002 7:14:53 PM PDT by Devil_Anse
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To: sandude
Bella, have you been feeding varina information on the side? Not very fair if you ask me. Why don't you let us all in on your little investigation?

Sorry to disappoint you, sandude, but that was my very own opinion (though I'm sure it's shared by many others who are not committed to a defense agenda.)

723 posted on 09/24/2002 7:15:05 PM PDT by varina davis
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To: sandude
"Either you believe Mary Katherine or you don't. If you don't then you have to believe that LE is completely stupid to have a 9 year old girl fool them for over 3 months."

This is getting old, sandude.....for both of us, I'm sure. Go back and read what I said in post # 701. I in no way believe that MK has "fooled" the police. Rather, I think it is far more likely that the police are attempting to fool the suspect(s) into believing what they want them to believe.

As for your other "explanations" for things I found doubtful about MK's alleged story.....I simply don't buy them. Things that you find unremarkable, I do find remarkable. Things that seem perfectly logical to you do not seem logical at all to me. "Official explanations" that satisfy you don't satisfy me. I didn't find the "armed gunman" story plausible the first time I heard it, and I have heard nothing since that has removed my doubts.

I guess this puts you and me back at that "agree to disagree" point.....

724 posted on 09/24/2002 7:16:53 PM PDT by freedox
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To: varina davis
One big guess, Palladin.

Your speaking in ridles again varina.

725 posted on 09/24/2002 7:19:17 PM PDT by sandude
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To: varina davis
This case is inactive, IMHO, because LE either knows or suspects someone is being protected or harbored or both, and they're waiting for something or someone to tip their hand.

Maybe--or maybe they really do think Ricci was a big part of it, or maybe even think he did it alone.

Maybe they are getting lazy and have just decided, well, the main guy is gone, so we don't need to do more. Maybe the FBI, on the other hand, has more funds and/or manpower available, and is raring to go.

This is not to say that SLCPD are necessarily correct if they are concluding that Ricci was it. But it does seem as though they think that.

726 posted on 09/24/2002 7:20:12 PM PDT by Devil_Anse
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To: freedox
Rather, I think it is far more likely that the police are attempting to fool the suspect(s) into believing what they want them to believe.

It's entirely possible that Ed and Tom have the answers and Lois suspects what those answers are, but wants to be the good wife and believe in those she cares about -- which includes her entire extended family. What a turmoil must be going on for that poor woman!

727 posted on 09/24/2002 7:21:13 PM PDT by varina davis
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To: varina davis
I'm sure it's shared by many others who are not committed to a defense agenda.

Defense of whom? You've stated that you don't think the family was involved so you must not object to my defense of them. Who are you accusing me of defending, LE?

728 posted on 09/24/2002 7:21:31 PM PDT by sandude
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To: sandude
An eyewitness reported this.

really ?

729 posted on 09/24/2002 7:23:28 PM PDT by Neenah
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To: sandude
Your speaking in ridles again varina.

I'm not going to say what you already know or suspect, sandude. If you deliberately choose to ignore what could be possible, then keep on foundering about.

730 posted on 09/24/2002 7:23:57 PM PDT by varina davis
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To: sandude
You've stated that you don't think the family was involved so you must not object to my defense of them.

That's correct, I don't think the family was involved in taking her away. But they might have been involved in her decision to go.

731 posted on 09/24/2002 7:26:00 PM PDT by varina davis
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To: Devil_Anse
Maybe--or maybe they really do think Ricci was a big part of it, or maybe even think he did it alone.

Devil, you might as well give Ricci as rest and get on with really trying to figure out how to solve this case.

732 posted on 09/24/2002 7:27:50 PM PDT by varina davis
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To: varina davis
a rest
733 posted on 09/24/2002 7:28:48 PM PDT by varina davis
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To: freedox
I guess this puts you and me back at that "agree to disagree" point.....

I'll let it rest at that but I am perplexed at your inability to accept what has been stated as at least possible. It's like Ross Perot shaking his finger at everything he dislikes about government but offering no solutions for the problems he has exposed. The attackers of the Smarts and LE fail to offer anything plausible to counter the official press releases other than maybe LE is lying in an attempt to catch the perp. Maybe they are not lying. One needs to at least accept that as a possibility. The bottom line is that we do not have enough information one way or another. Without the facts in the matter it is impossible for us to determine much of anything at all.

734 posted on 09/24/2002 7:32:08 PM PDT by sandude
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To: sandude
Without the facts in the matter it is impossible for us to determine much of anything at all.

Seems to me you have had long diatribes on your "theory" of what happend , all summer long. You are now admitting that what we have is one thing?

Elizabeth Smart is not home.

735 posted on 09/24/2002 7:36:24 PM PDT by Neenah
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To: sandude
The attackers of the Smarts and LE fail to offer anything plausible to counter the official press releases

"Official press releases" are written by public relations flaks to parrot canned information to anyone willing to accept it for face value. Reputable journalists rarely accept press releases as bonifide information before digging deeper into the whys and wherefores.

736 posted on 09/24/2002 7:37:48 PM PDT by varina davis
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To: varina davis; All
It's entirely possible that Ed and Tom have the answers and Lois suspects what those answers are,

I believe that you are basing this on the fact that Lois was interviewed for several hours. I've done some thinking on this. I think that the FBI brought in some new investigators who had very little in the way of prior knowledge of the case. Their job was to ignore any and all previous assumptions and to start fresh. The reason behind this was to make sure that nothing was overlooked in the initial investigation. This is a very good practice in a case like this because of its complexities. Given the above it would only make sense that they would have spent an extra amount of time with Lois to clear up the types of things that you mentioned above. After all it is the family that most often is behind these things. Now to burst your bubble.

We have no idea if these new investigators found anything or not. It leads to the same kinds of wild speculations that went on early in the case. For all we know though, the new investigators my end up drawing the same conclusions that were previously reached. Until we get some more information out of LE we can only GUESS as to what they may have uncovered. It is very possible that nothing new has been found.

737 posted on 09/24/2002 7:44:41 PM PDT by sandude
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To: sandude
"I'll let it rest at that but I am perplexed at your inability to accept what has been stated as at least possible."

sandude, in order to find what has been stated as at least possible, I would have to go through the same torturous mental gymnastics that you have gone through in order to rationalize it. As I said before, I have found MK's story implausible right from the start. Until I hear explanations that satisfy my doubts, I am perfectly content to continue questioning her story. You and others, on the other hand, seem to feel the need to come up with various "possibilities" and "explanations" in order to MAKE her story sound plausible.

For the life of me, I cannot understand why some people seem to feel that MK's story must be protected at all costs.

738 posted on 09/24/2002 7:45:54 PM PDT by freedox
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To: Neenah
really ?

All right Neenah, so you don't believe that Mary Katherine saw anything? Would you care to explain?

739 posted on 09/24/2002 7:46:41 PM PDT by sandude
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To: sandude
I think that the FBI brought in some new investigators who had very little in the way of prior knowledge of the case.

Theory?

740 posted on 09/24/2002 7:48:35 PM PDT by Neenah
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