Westerfield Jury Reaches Verdict DEATH

o | Joe Hadenuf

[Joe Hadenuf]

Death

[dread78645]

I hope no one has to *lose a child* to such horrific violence...

Kim, what "horrific violence" ?

[PGalt]

I will never be an idiot, but I can assure you as an innocent man the jury will be wrong.

[FreeTheHostages]

Child molestors last long: they just have a miserable existence. Dread's right: death row is segregated. But even the guards will give them a hard time. Mind you, this isn't direct experience: I've never done time! But I worked as a prosecutor and that's just what everyone said about the system: cops, criminal defense attorneys, everyone said this was so. So I do assume it's true.

[Palladin]

Good one, Kev. You and I are on the same wavelength.

The Kool-aid crowd just don't get it. The freak had a fair trial by jury. They found him guilty. They decided he should die. End of story.

Of course, they'll go on weeping and babbling about it for the next ten years, like they did with OJ.

And Sister Helen Prejean will be out there at Stateville kissing David Westerfield's fat white almost-dead ass.

[FreeTheHostages]

Kim: "I hope no one has to *lose a child* to such horrific violence..."

Dread: "Kim, what 'horrific violence' ?"

Me to Dread: Um, did you really mean to type that question, or is that whole question one big typo?

OK, me trying not to be sarcastic to Dread: Separation from your parents and murder.

[dread78645]

We could have done it in 2 hours here in Texas...

What's this "we" shi+ ? Gotta mouse in your pocket ?

It'd still be a hung jury --if I was serving.

[Joe Hadenuf]

OJ testified and got off.

Wrong, just like some of your reasoning.....

[FreeTheHostages]

Wow, that's pretty mean, posting all that stuff from her home page and going personal like that. Hmmm. You don't persuade me of anything doing that.

[Freedom2specul8]

Anytime a child is ripped from her family against her will, against the will of her parents, and is found murdered..I'd say that's violent.

[connectthedots]

BTW, all the prosecutors I worked with were of the highest integrity. But more importantly, juries are smart: 12 people working together can see things one person alone can't.

That may be the case in your county, but it isn't in mine! Juries are generally pretty smart, but if the local courts are so corrupted that even defense attorneys, especially court-appointed ones refuse to make the prosecutors actually prove their cases and sell out their clients in plea agreements, a smart jury doesn't do a defendant any good.

My local prosecutor would love to file trumped up charges against me, but he doesn't dare because he knows I would not hire an attorney nor accept a public defender, who would certainly be working for the prosecutor, and not me! To the contrary, I will eventually be responsible for putting the local prosecutor in federal prison for RICO violations.

[Valpal1]

The VD children may grow up to follow the "sexually liberated" lifestyle of their parents. Since this is also the morality taught in the CA schools they attend, it would be no surprise even if their parents were Puritans.

I am not one who believes DW may have been molested. I am more inclined to believe that he learned that men can molest with impunity from the example of his grandfather. I doubt his father set an example of moral manliness either. DW became another "hollow man", having the appearance of masculinity, but no real concept of moral manhood or Godly masculinity. His life was devoted to himself and the pursuit of pleasure at the expense of others.

And before you point out that the VD's did the same. They engaged in CONSENSUAL activities with adults, not murderous ones with a child unable to consent or even defend herself. While both are immoral only the latter is CRIMINAL.

I do not think he is guilty because the jury said so. I think he is guilty because of the blood/fingerprint/hair/fiber/roadtrip/drycleaners and a too clean SUV and a not clean enough MH.

If he had been found not guilty, I would accept it as the price of a system that is demonstrably better than that of any other nation in the history of the world. It isn't perfect, but it is still the best that imperfect man has achieved so far.

[dread78645]

The defense bug experts were wrong.

Testimony ? Evidence ?

She never played in his motorhome.

Testimony ? Evidence ?

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VILLAGER #1: We have found a witch. May we burn her?

[FreeTheHostages]

"especially court-appointed ones refuse to make the prosecutors actually prove their cases and sell out their clients in plea agreements"

Well, most defense attorneys take pleas, not because they're lazy or stupid but because prosecutors make it worth their client's while to take the plea.

Re your prosecutor in your county being corrupt and you putting him in jail, I dunno: sounds doubtful, but I'm not there, who knows: but this probably isn't the thread for all that discussion.

Glad to see we agree that juries, working together, usually get to the right result. I do believe that.

[UCANSEE2]

I will never be an idiot, but I can assure you as an innocent man the jury will be wrong.

First, I wasn't saying you are an idiot.

Second, I am not sure I understand your reply. You seem to be saying that the jury might convict you even if you are innnocent, and therefore they are wrong?

[FreeTheHostages]

"If he had been found not guilty, I would accept it as the price of a system that is demonstrably better than that of any other nation in the history of the world. It isn't perfect, but it is still the best that imperfect man has achieved so far."

:::clapping:::

[cyncooper]

Finally, the jury's opinion of the bug guys:

"And Faulkner's testimony only gave mid-February as the latest date when Danielle's body could have been exposed to insects, not the earliest, Tony said."

I had missed the jury statements regarding this issue.

I saw a post above concerned that they did not consider the "bug evidence". As I recall they specifically asked for a readback of Faulkner's testimony so they most certainly did consider it.

[Freedom2specul8]

I can't remember if this has been posted. I know that val posted 2 links earlier

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Jurors speak Only two jurors – No. 10, the foreman, and No. 6, – returned to the courtroom later in the afternoon to answer questions from the news media. The spots of Danielle's blood that were found on Westerfield's jacket two days after she disappeared were one of the key pieces of evidence in the case, said the foreman, who identified himself only as "Tony."

"At the end of the day, we really zeroed in on the physical evidence," he said.

The jury wasn't overly concerned that the prosecutor didn't present evidence placing Westerfield in the van Dam residence.

"We tried to fathom exactly what happened," the foreman said, but "when it came down to it, we really needed to place her in his environment. We didn't need to fill in the gaps."

Lengthy testimony about the possible date of Danielle's death from several forensic entomologists – "bug experts" – came across as very subjective, the two jurors said.

Four forensic entomologists and a forensic anthropologist disagreed about the possible range of dates when Danielle's body could have been dumped. Feldman argued that any date after Feb. 5 – when Westerfield came under 24-hour police surveillance – proved his client could not have been the killer.

The first bug expert, San Diego entomologist David Faulkner, had the most credibility because he had been called in by the San Diego Police Department when Danielle's body was found – and wound up being called to testify as a defense witness, Tony said.

"Everyone after Faulkner was a hired gun," he said.

And Faulkner's testimony only gave mid-February as the latest date when Danielle's body could have been exposed to insects, not the earliest, Tony said.

Juror No. 6 said the jury was somewhat confused when the "swinging" lifestyle of Danielle's parents – Damon and Brenda van Dam – was introduced into the trial.

"I couldn't understand why it was really being brought out," said the juror, who identified himself only as "Jeffrey." "What did that have to do with the death of a little girl?"

[FreeTheHostages]

That was my response too: murder *is* violent, kinda by definition. Psst: I'm still delighted at some antics about this thread. I got some mail from someone writing all capitals, the general point of which was that all prosecutors were corrupt. Kinda a foaming-at-the-mouth thing. But nothing that couldn't have been appropriately posted in this thread. Curious as to why it was sent in mail. But I says to myself, hmm, lessee, whats to do abouts this? Hmmm. So I say: Um, you have to use little letters too before I can take your Freep name seriously.

:) That's my new rule. Too many capital letters, no substantive response. We should have a rule about exclamation marks too . . . . (Ah, if only it were that easy.)

[Palladin]

The Eleventh Commandment:

Flame not; that thou mayest not be flamed"