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Westerfield Jury Reaches Verdict DEATH
o | Joe Hadenuf

Posted on 09/16/2002 1:46:27 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf

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To: Valpal1
I do wonder if the Van Damm and Runnion murders will have an effect on the handling of DP cases and appeals. Will the public start demanding swifter and more frequent executions in CA.

No, I don't think so. California is a liberal state and they have been criticized that there is such a backlog on death row. The state vows to pick up the pace but I personally think that California will bend to the pressure of the anti-death penalty crowd and abolish it within the next few years.

BTW, that's why I was for life in prison in the case of Westerfield. I didn't want to have to pay for his automatic appeals with my tax funds. And, as a member of death row, he has better accomodations if what I hear is right.

281 posted on 09/16/2002 5:36:33 PM PDT by BunnySlippers
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To: Palladin
Kudos to the moderators. They pulled the pro-Westerfield thread.

It'll probably get tacked up over at LP for the anti-FReep snivellers to weep over.

"Hi, David
I don't understand
juries. They're so
statist. But it seems
like that's the way it is
in California since they sent
Steve Kubby and his terrible cancer
to Canada. 'Cause he can get medicine
there. For 25 more years. LOL!.
But they want to kill you, David.
That makes me sad.
What did they say you did, anyway?
Oh, well. OJ was innocent too.
But he had a good jury"
Love,
Me"

282 posted on 09/16/2002 5:37:34 PM PDT by Kevin Curry
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
I hope no one has to *lose a child* to such horrific violence...

I pray it will never happen again, Kim.

I am afraid the one that did it is still out there.

I do not think Westerfield is guilty.

283 posted on 09/16/2002 5:38:23 PM PDT by carenot
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To: I. Ben Hurt
I am not anti death penalty. I think they have the wrong person convicted in this case.

I agree.

284 posted on 09/16/2002 5:41:33 PM PDT by carenot
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To: connectthedots
You said that, not I. I stated, in this case, regarding this very brutal murder, of this innocent little girl, if he were innocent, he would have came forward and told the world this.
285 posted on 09/16/2002 5:45:47 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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To: BunnySlippers
Well, it certainly makes sense from a state budget POV, that if you're not going to actually execute DP sentences, you should abolish the DP and do away with a very expensive white elephant appeals system, not to mention the seperate housing and extra security.




286 posted on 09/16/2002 5:47:27 PM PDT by Valpal1
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To: sinkspur
I was on a jury last year in a DWI case, and the prosecution said that the defendant not taking the stand could be taken into consideration by the jury.

I don't recall that you and I have ever been seriously at odds with one another, at least not to the point where it got personal. That said, you might want to consider the possibility that the prosecutor in the DWI case may have included the word "not" after the word "could" and you simply missed it. On the other hand, the prosecutor probably makes the comment that not testifying "could not" be taken into consideration that s/he simply mistakenly omitted the word "not".

Whether the prosecutor stated the law correctly, or not, the U.S. Constitution is quite clear that a defendant not testifying in a criminal case cannot be a consideration in reaching a verdict. In a civil case, a refusal to testify is very much a factor to be considered by the jury.

287 posted on 09/16/2002 5:47:55 PM PDT by connectthedots
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To: Valpal1
Will the public start demanding swifter and more frequent executions in CA.

It is my understanding they are now (thanks to this case) thinking of even doing away with Trial by Jury and going by TRIAL by MEDIA.

288 posted on 09/16/2002 5:49:24 PM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: UCANSEE2
LOL

According to some, this has already been done!

289 posted on 09/16/2002 5:50:40 PM PDT by Valpal1
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To: sinkspur
A man on trial for his life doesn't take the stand to defend himself?

I'll second that. Not only does an innocent man on trial for his life take the stand, he needs no lawyer to prove his innocence.

290 posted on 09/16/2002 5:52:49 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: UCANSEE2
"Jury and going by TRIAL by MEDIA."

Hell's bells, isn't that exactly what we witnessed in this trial? Sure looked that way to me!

(Hi, UCANSEE2!)

291 posted on 09/16/2002 5:53:12 PM PDT by the Deejay
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To: Valpal1
P.S. The Trial by Media will be done on a POLL VOTING system and then if found guilty, the accused will be publicly executed on the spot.
292 posted on 09/16/2002 5:53:33 PM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: PGalt
A man on trial for his life doesn't take the stand to defend himself?

I'll second that. Not only does an innocent man on trial for his life take the stand, he needs no lawyer to prove his innocence.

I hope you said this because you are being sarcastic. You can't be serious.

295 posted on 09/16/2002 5:55:19 PM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: carenot
Thank you for disagreeing without attacking me for my opinion. I do appreciate it.

I clung to the hope that if he was innocent, it would be shown. But unfortunately, the child porn, blood, hair, fibers, strange behaviour, mummification, the testimony of his former girlfriend..all of it just didn't point to an innocent man IMHO. Learning about his niece iick, topped it all off. Not to mention the revelation about his granparent, and the fact that comments about his teenage years didn't help.

296 posted on 09/16/2002 5:55:30 PM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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To: Joe Hadenuf
You said that, not I. I stated, in this case, regarding this very brutal murder, of this innocent little girl, if he were innocent, he would have came forward and told the world this.

Why in the DW case is not testifying at trial evidence of guilt, but in another trial it would not be evidence of guilt? A person's constitutional right to the benefits of not testifying at his criminal trial is not dependant on the nature of the charges, is it?

Whether DW should have testified is a separate matter. Had he known that he was going to be convicted, in advance, he would certainly have made a different decision about testifying. He took a chance, and may or may not have made the wrong decision. What happens in the appellate courts will determine whether or not it was the correct decision.

297 posted on 09/16/2002 5:57:18 PM PDT by connectthedots
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To: PGalt
I hope you said this because you are being sarcastic. You can't be serious.

(sorry, wasn't supposed to be in italics)

298 posted on 09/16/2002 5:57:26 PM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: Valpal1
I am not a porn lover nor a pedophile supporter. Like many others on this forum I want justice for Danielle. We do not feel justice was rendered in this trial. Yes I feel the Van Dam's life style was a factor in this murder. The Van Dam's life style is what is eating away at the moral character in America today.

A lot of you felt David may have been molested by his grandfather, so it could be a factor in his killing Danielle. Hmmm What about the Van Dam children being brought up in a unhealthy enviorment? How will there lifestyle effect their future? Will they be swingers and druggies?

You can say David killed Danielle because a jury said he did. That is fine. But those of us who believe he did not. will always question the fairness of the trial.

299 posted on 09/16/2002 5:58:08 PM PDT by just me
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To: All
After all the hateful vile and down right nasty posts from the past few months, I can't believe those 2 posts were pulled.

It's completely insulting.
300 posted on 09/16/2002 6:06:08 PM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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