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Elizabeth Smart thread, August 31-September 7, 2002

Posted on 08/31/2002 10:26:34 AM PDT by IamHD

My prayers go out to the Ricci family during this time. RR was sent up the river and used as a scape-goat. No evidence, whatsoever, linking him to the disappearance of Elizabeth.

May he rest in peace.


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To: Utah Girl
You're very welcome, Utah Girl. I hope that anyone on this thread who posts news stories makes sure they also post the source and date. I've noticed several times just an article was posted, but no source to check out. Not singling anyone out, just a "please" to all posters.
581 posted on 09/03/2002 5:50:28 PM PDT by varina davis
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To: sandude
Just funning with you, dude !
582 posted on 09/03/2002 5:53:19 PM PDT by Neenah
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To: varina davis
Why is it so difficult for someone to speculate that a cousin, uncle or someone in such an extended family might have a yen for Elizabeth and took her away?

I think that LE would have smoked them out long ago. While it is still possible, the odds of a family member being involved in this case are very very small and getting smaller. Those odds were much higher in the early going but continue to diminish over time. Of course if you think that the police are incompetent or corrupt then you might come to a different conclusion. I've seen nothing to show either stupidity or corruption by LE so far.

Or even that she might have had a crush on someone and gone willingly and staged the "kidnapping?"

Do you think it's possible that a 9 year old girl could fool everybody who's involved in this case for 3 months?

hormones are raging in 14-year-old girls.

Not all 14 year old girls. I've raised 3 girls who are high school age and beyond. Only one of them showed an interest in boys at 14. Nothing in the public record about Elizabeth indicates that she had an interest in boys at this time. Have you ever known a 14 year old girl who wasn't very interested in boys? There are plenty of them out there.

583 posted on 09/03/2002 6:18:50 PM PDT by sandude
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To: sandude
If LE believed that Elizabeth was still alive then alerting the public to look for this van could have forced the accomplice to kill her. They were problaby hoping to find him on the quiet in the hopes that they might rescue her.

So what's changed that we are now hearing about it? She's still missing.

If they were going to keep quiet about the blue van, why not keep quiet about the second man altogether?

584 posted on 09/03/2002 6:26:56 PM PDT by FR_addict
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To: Utah Girl
What do you think the Smarts should be doing?

If the Smarts had been quiet like the Ramseys they would be criticized. Because they speak up at every opportunity they are criticized. To an all-purpose critic, they can't win.

585 posted on 09/03/2002 6:28:51 PM PDT by Jolly Green
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To: Neenah
I think Mr. Smart released it on his own., and it is not beneficial. Oh and incidentally you said....

In your zeal to criticize Smart you are totally missing the possible link between blue van and blue SUV - a connection that none of us knew about several days ago. Ed probably didn't know about it either.

Rave on!

586 posted on 09/03/2002 6:33:38 PM PDT by Jolly Green
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To: FR_addict
So what's changed that we are now hearing about it? She's still missing.

I don't know. I was just giving you a possible reason for not releasing that to the public. There is always a kind of cost/benefit equation in these kinds of decisions.

If they were going to keep quiet about the blue van, why not keep quiet about the second man altogether?

Neth Moul told the press about him.

587 posted on 09/03/2002 6:37:55 PM PDT by sandude
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To: Utah Girl; sandude
The sketch was drawn by one of the hikers, Smart said.

What's up with this, sandude, that this poor family has to put out pictures drawn by amateurs to try to find out who took their daughter? Why didn't the SLCPD have a professional sketch artist draw this? Do you think SLCPD doesn't know who this is? Who are they trying to protect?

588 posted on 09/03/2002 6:38:20 PM PDT by Sherlock
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To: Jolly Green
Yep, the Smarts can do no right thing. Not only here at FR, but it is worse at other websites. And the only thing they've done is have a child abducted at gunpoint by an intruder, neither of whom have been found.
589 posted on 09/03/2002 6:38:32 PM PDT by Utah Girl
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To: Utah Girl; All
His body has already been cremated....

Of course. What ever happened to the autopsy?

590 posted on 09/03/2002 6:41:31 PM PDT by Sherlock
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To: Sherlock
Oh, good point. I don't think the Dept of Corrections considered Ricci's death mysterious.
591 posted on 09/03/2002 6:43:52 PM PDT by Utah Girl
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To: Neenah
The truth is, Neenah, everything in this post is hogwash. The truth is you are never more in your glory than when you think you have some righteous reason to blast Ed Smart, and you have no idea what you are talking about. You should really quit embarassing yourself.
592 posted on 09/03/2002 6:46:47 PM PDT by Sherlock
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To: cookiedough
I think it's possible, even likely, that if Liz is found and/or her abductor captured, it will be entirely by happenstance, and not as a result of an organized search (at this point)or a tip from someone close to her abductor.

Or will they be found by the police. They've gone out of their way this last week to emphasize they have NOTHING to show for 3 months in investigation. Here is that same guy with the white baseball cap I've been talking about for months that has been seen by everybody and his uncle and SLCPD refuses to make a sketch of this guy or just release his photograph. This is the kidnapper folks! They know who it is! Is this guy Hinckley's grandson or what?

593 posted on 09/03/2002 6:54:15 PM PDT by Sherlock
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To: varina davis; sandude
Ed Smart/Elizabeth Smart's Father: I JUST FEEL SO STRONGLY THAT HE WAS INVOLVED IN IT. I DONT KNOW IF HE WAS THE ONE IN THE HOUSE.

sandude, so much for your theory that MK ID'd the voice as Ricci.

595 posted on 09/03/2002 6:57:06 PM PDT by Sherlock
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To: Jolly Green; All
the possible link between blue van and blue SUV

What's this blue SUV, I missed it?

597 posted on 09/03/2002 7:00:01 PM PDT by Sherlock
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To: spore-gasm
You act as if the Smarts have this mysterious hold over the news broadcasters. Well, they kind of do, it is called ratings, and as soon as they don't garner the ratings, they won't be called any more. It is a mystery, a fascinating mystery. And you don't have to get so sarcastic, I don't know when these things are televised nationally, I do remember reading the article a day or two after the break-in occurred. Hmm, wonder why the Smarts magic didn't work to get that news publicized immediately.

And I remember Ed Smart and also Cynthia Smart Owens saying that they didn't care if the media was on their personal lives, "let the media chew us up and spit us out, we are focused on getting Elizabeth back." I believe is the gist of what Cynthia said in response to questions about the Smart family being investigated by the SLPD, the polygraphs, etc. And the SLPD cannot rule anyone out, family, friends, or strangers. Officially they haven't, unofficially I do not know.

Sorry, I don't get your reference to "when they are asking for something they aren't entitled to." Is that in reference to TV face time? Getting Elizabeth back? Having the conversations released between Richard Ricci and his attorney(s)? What?

598 posted on 09/03/2002 7:03:02 PM PDT by Utah Girl
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To: Sherlock
I can tell by your recent posts that you are frustrated with the investigation right now. You see a connection with the events around the peripheral (Shriners parking lot, milkman guy, beer thief, etc.) areas of the crime. I think that there could be a connection with one or more of these events but it is also possible that there is no connection. If there is a connection then LE may feel that it is better to keep that information to themselves. If there is no connection they have no responsibility to tell us about it especially when there is no one in the media asking them about this anymore.

What's up with this, sandude, that this poor family has to put out pictures drawn by amateurs to try to find out who took their daughter?

The sketch may have not gotten any better with a profesional artist. I think that LE probably felt this lead would not bear fruit. The Smarts felt otherwise and released it. They may have had LE's blessing, it's hard to tell.

Do you think SLCPD doesn't know who this is? Who are they trying to protect?

I don't know. What do you think?

600 posted on 09/03/2002 7:06:14 PM PDT by sandude
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