EARTH CHANGES APPROACHING

APIntercessors@yahoogroups.com ^ | 19 AUG 2002 and earlier | Timothy Snodgrass

[2sheep]

In 2 Kings 13 is an account of the young prophet and the old prophet.  The Lord gave the young prophet specific instructions.  The young prophet went away and came to the old prophet who gave him different instructions.  He listened to the old prophet and G~d sent a lion and killed him.

1Ki 13:26 And when the prophet that brought him back from the way heard thereof, he said, It is the man of God, who was disobedient unto the word of the LORD: therefore the LORD hath delivered him unto the lion, which hath torn him, and slain him, according to the word of the LORD, which he spake unto him.

We could go back and forth all day on the issues in the last few posts.  I will continue to warn people of judgment coming and you can continue to make them feel comfortable that all's well.

Let's leave it with this:  Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

[Quix]

EXCUSE ME.

D3: I STERNLY AND STRONGLY REBUKE THE NOTION THAT I MAKE PEOPLE FEEL WELL AND THAT ALL'S WELL AT ALL--MUCH LESS:

2S: continue to make them feel comfortable that all's well.

D3: I have sought to cautiously and gently exhort you that it seemed very evident that you were approaching if not crossing over to an attitude and spirit that was not 100% Father-like nor Christ-like.

D3: Your misconstruing my words and significant record on FR leads me to the conclusion that you almost if not actually LIKE slinging lightening bolts in God's stead. That's very sad to me.

D3: YES, JUDGEMENT LOOMS--GOD'S JUDGEMENT LOOMS OVER MILLIONS OF US CITIZENS; OVER THE NATION; OVER OTHER NATIONS; OVER THE WORLD. IT IS SOBERING. IT IS SERIOUS. PEOPLE MUST BE WARNED IN NO UNCERTAIN TERMS. I HAVE BEEN DILIGENT--MORE DILIGENT ABOUT SUCH WARNINGS THAN ANY OTHER UNIVERSITY PROFESSOR AT A SECULAR UNIVERSITY I KNOW OF. Even implying otherwise indicates a serious flaw in your discernment as well as a fairly wholesale quickness toward judgementalism that I didn't expect to see from you.

D3: Nowhere in Scripture do I recall an exhortation to be calloused, haughty, cold hearted, insensitive, not compassionate, not Loving etc. toward even the doomed. Certainly it is Loving to warn--even to warn sternly. But it is not Loving to stand in the place of a haughty pharisee and pronounce judgement clothed in anything but humility, contrition and brokenness. I hope you are not approaching such a position, stance and attitude. But it seems that every opportunity I suggest for moving away from such a stance you move closer to it. May God enlighten you about such matters and the hazards related thereto.

D3: As you see, I'm not even too shy to avoid firmly warning you.

[2sheep]

Ecumenism is of the spirit of the antichrist and just may be the Strong Delusion of 2 Thess 2.  The satanic communist globalists have worked for generations with their Hegelian Dialectic to get people into the middle of Consensus so they could be deceived and ultimately rounded-up.  Jesus said he didn't come to bring peace on earth but division and a sword, therefore, it is not crucial that we agree on all points.  You continue to insist on that Consensus.  What more can be said?

1Co 14:29  Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.

Let's leave it with this.  You have said your piece and we have said ours.  Now Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind....let each one judge for himself.

[Thinkin' Gal]

Phi.

[CWRWinger]

The force of the water cascading from north to south during the birthing of the initial rift will lay the foundations for diverse topography and landscapes along the newly birthed shoreline.

Any way we can get this to run along the Mason-Dixon Line, permanently cutting off Washington, DC from the South?

[Quix]

OK.

I do prefer you work at avoiding putting words in my mouth or fingers that I would be unlikely to use.

[Quix]

What a clever idea.

Alas, not that I know of. Doesn't seem to be The Lord's priority.

[2sheep]

>(342) Nowhere in Scripture do I recall an exhortation to be calloused, haughty, cold hearted, insensitive, not compassionate, not Loving etc. toward even the doomed. Certainly it is Loving to warn--even to warn sternly. But it is not Loving to stand in the place of a haughty pharisee and pronounce judgement clothed in anything but humility, contrition and brokenness. I hope you are not approaching such a position, stance and attitude.

>(346) OK.   I do prefer you work at avoiding putting words in my mouth or fingers that I would be unlikely to use.

I presume you are repenting of inferring I am, "calloused, haughty, cold hearted, insensitive, not compassionate, not Loving etc. toward even the doomed," but perhaps I presume too much.  I must say I have been called worse, but usually by unbelievers or those preaching another gospel. 

One thing we can probably agree on is that G~d is just:  17

[Quix]

Are you really so sensitive that

"approaching such a position, stance and attitude."

has little functional meaning for you? I said approaching and I meant approaching. I would not like to see you go that far. But you seem very stubbornly intent on heading in that direction . . . per my sense. Of course I can be wrong. If the brothers and sisters who truly Love Jesus hereon believe me to be wrong, I'll be most happy and eager to repent of whatever they feel fitting for me to repent of.

[Quix]

Actually I don't really understand how you so seemingly quickly and glibly accuse me of 'encouraging people to feel comfortable and that all is well'--etc. and then in the seemingly same breaths sound so super sensitive about my talking about you appearing to lean, tending toward a direction that is of concern to me.

Brother, honestly, it appears your mirror needs adjustment or repair.

[2sheep]

>Of course I can be wrong. If the brothers and sisters who truly Love Jesus hereon believe me to be wrong, I'll be most happy and eager to repent of whatever they feel fitting for me to repent of.

Ahhh, but brothers and sisters who love Jesus would fulfill a couple of my favorite scriptures:

Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

[If you don't love Jesus, don't keep his commandments.]

Joh 15:14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.

[If you don't do what he commands, you aren't his friend.]

1Jo 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

[Hello!  That is the pure Word!]

The doctrine that the prophets were soft, gentle persuaders is not biblical.  Elijah called down fire on the false prophets and Elisha sent a bear which tore 40 children, a real "Columbine" in those days.  Samuel was not Mr. Milquetoast and Jeremiah and Isaiah cried aloud and spared not.  Jesus said twice:

Lu 13:3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

Lu 13:5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

They stoned and murdered prophets before him.  They crucified Him.  They have been stoning and murdering anyone since with the same message.  Getting up a vote to determine by majority opinion that what I say is harsh is of the same spirit.   You certainly cannot know my heart better than I do.  The rule in this house is "No king but Yeshua (Jesus)," and we hate the doctrine of the Nicolaitans as much as He does.  See, What is a Nicolaitan.  We don't claim any office or position in or out of the church but we have a real witness from the Holy Spirit that the Lord is coming for a holy people and urge all to depart from iniquity and purify themselves by obeying the Word.  Anyone who is not His friend is His enemy and I just put the word out and let others decide what they want to do with it.

2Th 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

>...then in the seemingly same breaths sound so super sensitive about my talking about you

I have the hide of rhinoceros and am not super sensitive.  I take abuse from unbelievers all the time, generally without flinching, and just keep rolling.  Vote in any booth you want.  The discussion is at an end.  You are singing in another choir.

[Quix]

A spiritual, Biblical, obedient, commandment keeping Brother could reasonably assert that you fall as much on the wrong side of not DOING as those you seem so quick to throw rocks at. That's more than a bit disconcerting.

I persistently agree basically with probably most of your assertions. But there appears to be some serious unBiblical lack of balance here somewhere whether I can articulate it precisely or not. Holy Spirit may have to be the one to do that when you are ready to hear Him on it.

[Quix]

ADDITIONAL POST PRAYER AFTERTHOUGHTS:

--Hitting and running doesn't strike me as close to CHRIST-LIKE ****DOING****.

--It appears that you have a seriously intense, deep-seated, broad conviction that you have a thoroughly exclusive intellectual grasp of and actuarial grip on what it means to be a perfect Christ-like DOING believer. . . that you have arrived at such a lofty state that should anyone else dare to express the affrontery of having even a slightly different view than you on spiritual matters and behaviors--that you are duty bound to consign them to the opposition and the pit. . . . of course without being judgmental [fingers in cheek].

--It seems beyond your grasp or grip--[whether because of a blind spot(s), pride, stubbornness or what-all Holy Spirit would have to say--hard for me to discern adequately]--It seems beyond your grasp or grip to realize that God has not yet granted any mortal on this plane such a thoroughly perfect absolute corner on being spiritually grand.

--I've seen the deceptiveness of this poison infect a lot of precious Brothers as it has me so much in the past. I'm grieved and at a loss about how to Love you any more effectively or better toward leaving such behind.

--We ALL see through a glass darkly [unless you are convinced the Apostle Paul lied in the Sacred Text].

--We ALL are flawed with 'doing what our better selves would not that we do; not doing what our better selves would that we do.'

--We ALL NEED EACH OTHER at least as iron sharpening iron.

--It is unwise and unBiblical DOING to insist that another Brother is "singing in a different choir" because he doesn't seem to agree 110% with us on all MINOR AND major points.

--There are ABUNDANT Scriptures about God's Mercy--even in the midst of or alongside of his wrath and judgement. It is not Christlike nor Biblical DOING to persistently--seemingly exclusively talk as though such is not the case in the Biblical record. Yes, for some very rebellious sorts--God has only wrath to say to them and to execute on them. You seem to lump into the receiving end of that ALL who fail to agree with YOU 110%. I find that far less than 100% CHRIST-LIKE DOING.

--I remain grieved that we have any disagreement or even a slight affront to the Christ-like caring we ought and have great reason to persistently share between us. I pray God will enable us to restore it as soon as workable.

--There is soooo much to applaud about you. I'm awed and blessed by what God has done in your lives. I cheer you on in every aspect and endeavor where Holy Spirit and Christ-likeness reigns in your minds, spirits, souls, bodies, ministries.

--Praise God that Christ Jesus--The Lord of Lords and King of Kings--knows in Whom I have believed and am persuaded that HE is able [and willing, eager] to keep that which I've committed unto Him [including all that I am or ever hope to be] . . . that HE knows my downsittings and uprisings as well as all my doings and the heart fixed tenaciously on Him out of extreme gratitude and awed Loved and appreciation for all HE HAS DONE AND DOES for me.

--I'm sure He knows you in similar fashion.

[Alamo-Girl]

I praise God for both of you!

In recognition of Proverbs 6:16-19, I decline to enter in any discord among the brethren.

But I do leave you with this from I Peter 1:22

Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, [see that ye] love one another with a pure heart fervently:

[Quix]

Dear 2sheep and other believers . . .

I endeavor to live by the following. Wherever and whenever I don't manage to, please call it to my attention. I certainly apologize & repent for my weaknesses in such areas.

I will at least prayerfully consider your exhortation. I take all such to heart and to prayer. I don't necessarily jump through hoops precisely to your tune and perceptions, convictions over every phrase and sentence.

Blessings,
Q

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Daily Milk & Honey ...
Rich Elliott
Sep 4, 2002



Daily Milk & Honey by Rich Elliott ~ Email:
wahoo@sunflower.com Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit
in the bond of peace. Ephesians 4:3 -- My holy people; a bone of
contention has no place in the body of Christ. If you truly
desire My glory to shine in and through you, you must allow your
carnality to pass away. Contention, strife, debates, all such
things point to carnality, not My glory. It is time to give up
such things and leave them forever at the cross. I have many
things for you to be. The most important one is that I want you
to be loving and kind. Carnality inhibits your ability to
express love. You may think about love, but that does no good
whatsoever. You must go beyond thoughts of love, to expressions
of love. Practical expressions of love. That is what
charity is; a practical expression of love. Turn your face fully
toward Me. Allow My glory to shine in and through you, causing
you to be a yielded vessel that expresses love to those around
you. Turn fully toward Me. Turn away from strife and
debate and contention and turn fully to Me. My life in you, will
find substance when you allow yourself to be free from
carnality. You will cease arguing with Me and with one
another. You will worship Me in Spirit and in Truth. You
will love Me wholeheartedly and with everything at your
disposal. You will love others too. Let's get on with what
I desire. Allow the Kingdom to flourish in your life.
Yield your garden to Me. I will sow wonderful seeds that will
produce lovely fruit. Seek My Face. Call upon My
Name. Be a peacemaker today.





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[Domestic Church]

Two interesting tidbits about the Atlantic area are the changing gravity field and the discovery of huge hydrogen stores found under the earths crust not far from the continental slope and the evidence of massive underwater landslides in the past. Here are a couple of links I bookmarked.

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2002-08/nsfc-sra080102.php

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/666422/posts

For decades there have been visionaries seeing a tidal wave on the east coast.

[Quix]

THANKS MUCH, WILL CHECK THEM OUT.

[Quix]

FYI, IF YOU ARE INTERESTED . . . an UPDATED TIMOTHY SNOGRASS SET OF COMMENTARY, EXHORTATIONS AND PREDICTIONS REGARDING BIG QUAKE COMING.

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FROM:

http://www.timothysnodgrass.com/pages/712604/index.htm?gen_time=1032828010626

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FINAL WARNING

On August 19, 2002, the Fiji-Tonga region of the South Pacific was shaken by two powerful earthquakes, measuring 7.6 and 7.7. The 'second Polynesian quake' was a prophetic symbol of approaching judgment, and may have been America's final warning. (In January, we received a warning that a 9.0+ quake would occur somewhere in the world shortly after the 'second Polynesian quake' in 2002, and that short of the Lord's intervention, the quake would occur on the West Coast of America. According to the prophetic word received on January 1, 2002, Israel is the key which will eventually determine the epicenter of this coming quake.)

TWIN QUAKES IN CHINA AND INDIA

On September 13, 2002, a 6.5 quake shook the India region, followed within 48-hours by a second quake in China measuring 6.5. These quakes were a symbol of God's heart for mercy and the salvation of lost souls. (In April, Timothy prophesied that 'large quakes are about to shake India & China as a sign of God's heart to withhold judgment for a season and release mercy for the sake of the harvest').

UNUSUAL SIGN ON 9-11-02

On September 11, 2002 - one year after the attack on the Twin Towers - the New York State Lottery randomly drew the number 9-1-1 for the 'Daily Three' Lotto drawing. I believe that this was a sign to look back at the original warning on 9-11-01. The attack on the WTC and Pentagon - which temporarily derailed the 'peace process' - was a strong warning to take a step back and take a closer look the Israeli-Palestinian dilemma.

TWIN STATE SOLUTION FLAWED

God is jealous over the city of Jerusalem. He will not allow this city to be trampled under the feet of the Gentiles or those who curse His covenant with the children of Abraham. The '2-state' solution is not the correct solution for peace. It puts at risk the security of the State of Israel. The correct solution is the 'Indian' solution (symbolized in the Indian earthquake). Just as there are many Indian and Native American tribes living in the United States under the government of ONE nation, so the native Palestinians who honor the laws of Israel should be allowed to live in peace and security under one government.

9-11 WARNING NOT HEEDED

On September 12, 2002 - before the UN Security Counsel - President Bush strongly endorsed the creation of an independent Palestinian State. Within less than 24-hours, tidal waves struck the Eastern Coast of India from a 6.5 quake - a sign that God is still pleading with America to repent while there is still yet time. Very soon, an earthquake magnitude 9.0 or greater will strike the Pacific West Coast of America, and the tidal waves from this quake will make the waves from the Indian earthquake look tiny in comparison. There is still time to angelically deflect this quake from the United States.

MICHAEL AND HIS ANGELS

Very soon, a blue shooting star will be observed flying from south to north over the continents of South and North America. This is a sign that tectonic pressure under the earth has become very critical, and the quake is about to manifest. Michael is the Prince over Israel, and has the power to deflect the quake to another location, just as he has many times in the past - such as on October 16, 1999 (the 7.2 quake which occurred in Joshua Tree, California, was supposed to occur near a major population center near Los Angeles, but was angelically deflected to a harmless location in the middle of the desert. Military geologists on the scene estimated that the magnitude would have well exceeded 9.0 if the epicenter had not been under a huge underground water reserve).

TWIN OPPORTUNITY FOR MERCY

Even after President Bush gave his speech on September 12, God responded by sending an invitation for mercy (symbolized in the Twin Quakes in China and India). God does not wish to bring destruction upon America, and is not willing that any should perish. We are now standing at the crossroads of judgment and mercy. God does not require a large step from the United States; just a small step behind the scenes, and a simple resolve to cease pressuring Israel to concede covenant land promised to her by God.

PRAYER MANDATE

We have observed here in the Philippines a twin parallel between the United States and the Philippines; whatever happens on this side of the Ring of Fire, often follows on the other side of the Pacific - not just seismically, but spiritually. An anointing of Fire has been released this September in Asia, and it is about to cross the Pacific into North and South America. God has not forgotten South America.

And He would say to you, if you will intercede for the President of the United States, and not judge him or criticize him, but love him and pray for him, you will see my hand of mercy stretched out over the United States of America. If you will intercede for the White House, and for every branch of Government, you will see winds of reformation move across the land for the sake of the harvest.

Just as international alliances are being built in this hour to fight against evil and injustice, God is now building spiritual alliances for the sake of world evangelism. South America has not been forgotten; Africa and Europe shall be aflame with the glory of the Lord. Australia shall be rocked by a fresh wind from heaven. The islands of the sea shall be ablaze with the light of Christ. If you will intercede, and fear not, Michael shall once again intervene for the sake of Israel, and the missiles which are targeting Tel Aviv shall be knocked out before they can be launched. Get your house in order, and prepare for war. Intercede in this hour for President Bush, and for Prime Minister Ariel Sharon.

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PLEASE REMEMBER THAT OUR OWN FREEPER pops88 is personally acquainted with Timothy and asserts that he is authentic and accurate. That's more than enough to at least insure earnest prayers about the above.

Blessings,

[Quix]

AN UPDATE is at post 385, I think--the one before this one!

[Quix]

Actually, the update is at

POST 358, NOT 385.