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EARTH CHANGES APPROACHING
APIntercessors@yahoogroups.com ^ | 19 AUG 2002 and earlier | Timothy Snodgrass

Posted on 08/19/2002 12:20:27 PM PDT by Quix

Edited on 01/06/2003 10:43:18 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

  DEAR ONES,    

IN VIEW OF THE FIGI QUAKES
HOURS AGO
WHERE MY UNCLE AND WIFE
CURRENTLY ARE
PRAYERS PLEASE FOR THEM
DON & MARTHA
7.5 AND 7.7 OFF THE COAST OF FIJI

    AND IN VIEW OF THIS SITE'S PREDICTING IT AND THAT IT WOULD SIGNAL SOME OTHER SERIOUS EVENTS, PLEASE PRAYERFULLY CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING FOUND AT THIS SITE:   

http://www.TimothySnodgrass.com/pages/699844/index.htm?gen_time=1029774872442   

IF THE REF ABOVE DOESN'T POST RIGHT. SORRY, I am on the road and don't have my html cheat sheet. Anyone who can fix it please do. I don't remember it quite right evidently about how.

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EARTH CHANGES APPROACHING

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    Note: We have received numerous requests for copies of Timothy's latest book, "Earth Changes Approaching". Although this book has not yet been printed, note that as soon as it is printed we plan on sending a free copy to all those who have given to this ministry in 2002. We are currently waiting for the materialization of printing-costs ($2,000 needed for first batch of books).   

  EXCERPT FROM BOOK   

Historically, the largest earthquake to ever be recorded (since the invention of the seismograph in the 1850's) was a 9.5 earthquake in Chile, which took place on May 22, 1960. This South American quake was so powerful that it sent tsunami rippling across the entire Pacific. Over 2,000 people died in the earthquake and tsunami which followed. Fifteen hours after the quake rocked Chile, the tidal wave hit Hilo, Hawaii (61 deaths) ~ 7 hours later, the tsunami reached Japan (over 200 deaths). There were also casualties reported in the Philippines, New Zealand, Samoa, Indonesia, and across the entire Pacific Rim.   

The tidal waves triggered by the Chilean earthquake were relatively small, ranging from 10 to 60 feet high, yet had a devastating impact on the half the globe. One of the greatest threats from tsunami comes not from earthquakes themselves, but from underwater landslides which are triggered by the quakes. For example, the largest tsunami ever recorded took place on July 9, 1958 in Lituya Bay, Alaska. The tsunami was recorded as being 1,720 feet high (530 meters), yet the earthquake which triggered it was only 8.3 on the Richter Scale.    

    Although this Alaskan tidal wave was enormous, the underwater area involved in the landslide was relatively small, and the tsunami only affected Lituya Bay, which in 1958 was only inhabited by moose, bears, and a few fisherman and hunters. Thus, the loss of life was minimal. But this event was a turning point for the way scientists viewed the threat from undersea landslides.    

  After 1958, a study of underwater chasms and valleys became a priority of seismologist, so that vulnerable areas could be mapped and identified. One of the greatest landslide threats discovered lies off the coast of Oregon, near the Cascadia Subduction Zone. This undersea chasm is so expansive that it makes the Grand Canyon look like a gopher hole. A major earthquake occurs along the Cascadia Subduction Zone approximately every 300 years, and the area is now overdue for a major event (the last one occurred exactly 302 years ago in 1700 AD, which triggered tsunami that wiped out several Indian tribes in Oregon).   

    Alaska has had its share of major earthquakes. Six years after the 8.3 Lituya Bay earthquake, another mammoth earthquake took place in Alaska on March 27, 1964. The Prince William Sound Earthquake measured 9.2 on the Ricther Scale, and is the 2nd largest earthquake ever recorded. The tsunami from this quake, although small compared to Lituya Bay, killed over 110 people from Alaska to Crescent City, California.   

    Only four earthquakes have been recorded in history as exceeding 9.0 on the Ricther Scale ~ 2 of these quakes were located in Alaska. On March 9, 1957, the third largest earthquake recorded in history took place in the Andreanof Islands, Alaska. This 9.1 earthquake was a turning point in the study of volcanoes, proving that major earthquakes can indeed awaken volcanoes that have been sleeping for generations.    

    At exactly 2:22 in the afternoon, as the 9.1 earthquake sent tidal waves crashing across the Andreanof Islands, Mount Vsevidof violently erupted on Umnak Island (a volcano had been dormant for over 200 years). The connection between major earthquakes and volcanic eruptions would be further established 3 years later in 1960, when a chain of dormant volcanoes violently erupted in Chile during the unprecedented 9.5 earthquake.   

  Although all of the above earthquakes were large, none can compare to the New Madrid, Missouri quakes, which occurred during the winter of 1811 - 1812. This series of quakes lasted for 5 months, and took place long before the seismograph was invented. If you compare this series of quakes to the 9.5 Chilean quake (which lasted for 3 weeks), the New Madrid earthquake would have to have been comparatively much larger (lasting 5 months).   

  The magnitude of the New Madrid earthquakes had to be truly enormous. In 1964, the Prince Williams Sound earthquake (9.2) could only be felt as far away as Seattle, Washington. But 18 of the New Madrid earthquakes rang church bells as far away as Boston, Massachusettes, and could be felt across the entire eastern half of the United States.    

   Over 150,000 acres of forest were destroyed, new lakes were formed, and tsunami crashed along the shores of the Mississippi River, leaving a graveyard of destroyed boats and debris. Witnesses reported that the entire river appeared to be flowing backwards during 5 of the largest quakes. Although there were roughly 2,000 quakes during a 5-month period, the five BIG quakes occurred between December 16, 1811, and February 7, 1812. The first 2 of the 5 big quakes were epicentered in Arkansas, both occurring on the same day (December 16th).    

   The third earthquake was epincentered in New Madrid, Missouri (January 23, 1812). The fourth and fifth quakes occurred in New Madrid on February 7, and were the largest of the series. It was these two quakes that destroyed the city of New Madrid, and toppled houses as far away as St. Louis. (Note: Although some sources report that there were three large quakes, technically there were 5 mega-quakes [2 on 12/16/11, 1 on 1/23/12, and another 2 on 2/7/12].    

   The USGS, although conservatively estimating the New Madrid quakes to be in the 8-point range, have recently published a report indicating that 5 of the earthquakes had to be at least 2 to 3 times large than the Prince Edward Sound earthquake, which measured 9.2 on the Richter Scale.   

   On November 20, 2001, I was given a detailed prophetic vision of another series of quakes which will soon shake the United States Midwest. The coming quakes will exceed the magnitudes of the previous New Madrid quakes of 1811 - 1812, and will result in significant earth changes along several areas of the Central United States.    

   In Arkansas and Missouri, the earth changes that began 191 years ago during the New Madrid quakes will reach maturation. Along the New Madrid fault line and several other fault lines which wind there way up to the Great Lakes, there will be a sudden drop of elevation.    

   The size of the Great Lakes will decrease, as water drains into the newly formed rift and cascades southward into the Gulf of Mexico. Within less than a day, a new gulf will appear in the United States. North America will be literally divided in half from east to west. The majority of changes will take place within 24 hours, but aftershocks from the quake will continue to rattle the region for 7 months.    

   The force of the water cascading from north to south during the birthing of the initial rift will lay the foundations for diverse topography and landscapes along the newly birthed shoreline.    Inland Tsunami And Displacements Of Rivers And Lakes   

   Prior to 1811, tsunami were believed to be only an ocean phenomen. But on December 16, 1811, a new precedent was set for tidal waves. When an earthquake approaches or exceeds 9.0 on the Richter Scale, earth changes are imminent. These changes can be anywhere from minor to catastrophic, depending upon the geology and terrain of the earth.    

    If a body of water happens to be near the epicenter, one of two things can happen: 1) The quake will generate tsunami, or 2) The body of water will be displaced, and shift to another location. During the New Madrid quakes of 1811 - 1812, fortunately the course of the entire Mississippii river did not change, but tsunami along the river destroyed many boats docked along the shore, and overwhelmed many smaller vessels that were further out in the river. As fissures opened and closed below the surface, the agitated water gave the illusion that the river was flowing backwards.   

    During major earthquakes, the elevation of land rises and falls. The greatest earth changes occur not when the land is thrown upwards, but when it collapses. In Alaska, during the Prince Edward Sound earthquake, many fertile valleys and farmlands became transformed into water-filled marshes overnight, as underground water reserves filled large portions of land that collapsed. In New Madrid, the shaking was so intense that land waves could be seen rippling across the face of the earth. The elevation of the earth rose and fell over an area of 78,000 - 129,000 square kilometers, extending from Cairo, Illinois, to Memphis, Tennessee, and from Crowleys Ridge, Arkansas, to Chickasaw Bluffs, Tennessee. Many new lakes were formed, including Lake St. Francis in eastern Arkansas, which is 64 kilometers long by 1 kilometer wide.   

    The future map of the Gulf of the North America, which will extend from the Great Lakes in the north, to the Gulf of Mexico in the south, is not without precedent in earth history. The Gulf of California, which runs along the San Andreas Fault, was once connected to Mexico. But at one point the region violently collapsed into an eternal blue abyss, known today by Mexico as the Sea of Cortez.    

    The northern end of the Gulf of California is very shallow (no place greater than 600 feet deep), then gradually merges into the marshlands of the delta (similar to the marshes created overnight by the Alaskan earthquake of 1964).    

    The future Gulf of North America will have at least 3 to 4 times the mass of the Gulf of California. The tsunami triggered from the drainage of the Great Lakes will move southward at a catastrophic rate, engulfing entire cities in its path as it winds its way south into the crystal blue waters of the Gulf of Mexico.    

    To the northeast of the Great Lakes in Canada, newly formed channels will connect the Gulf to the Atlantic Ocean. Although this inland tsunami will indeed be large, it will be small compared to the tidal waves generated by the earth changes throughout the Pacific Ring of Fire.   

    Copyright Timothy Snodgrass 2002, All Rights Reserved. Reproduction and distribution is strictly prohibited without prior permission. For a list of sources and documentation on above data, refer to Timothy's upcoming book Earth Changes Approaching.   

  

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    I WOULD ADD, PROPHETIC TYPES EVEN OF SHAMMAN, NEW AGE ETC. TYPES HAVE "SEEN" SIMILAR EARTH CHANGES OCCRING IN OUR TIME FRAME ALONG THE CENTRAL U.S. It almost seems as though God has tried every channel to warn us.    


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To: rwfromkansas
He did NOT say prevented--but the epicenter moved away from North or South America.

He noted that several things were changeable and some not in the prediction and he did not specify which were what etc.
321 posted on 08/28/2002 3:04:21 PM PDT by Quix
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To: Quix; Sabertooth
My sense is that the L~rd is not nearly as ambivalent or indecisive as Mr. Snodgrass.  Although his vision may be true, emphasis in his interpretation should be on repentance.  Too many people who say they are saved by grace treat it as an excuse for continuing in sin.  The L~rd is calling for genuine repentance and not for prayer to change His mind about judgment or relocation of the epicenter. 

I can't conceive of where one would pray that He send the epicenter of a 9.+ quake and it not hurt a lot of people badly.

322 posted on 08/29/2002 2:35:44 AM PDT by 2sheep
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To: 2sheep
I can't conceive of where one would pray that He send the epicenter of a 9.+ quake and it not hurt a lot of people badly.

400 miles beneath Antarctica, for one.




323 posted on 08/29/2002 5:08:01 AM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: 2sheep
FWIW, about 20 years ago I constructed a building in the middle of the Mojave Desert. Near its completion I looked out upon a vista of extremely remote barren terrain, terra incognita which time had forgotten and made a simple prayer that should a massive earthquake occur in that area , perhaps it might be made in that area so as not to harm too many innocent victims. Some 16 years later the epicenter of the Hector Mines earthquake happened to hit within about 500m of the area I had been glancing prior to my simple passing prayer 16 yrs earlier. (I want to say within 100m, but the general area I remember was about a 3 mile x 3 mile area in an expanse of about 35 x 70 miles.

Mind you, this doesn't mean my prayer caused anything, For all glory goes to Him, and He has such power not myself, but I have noticed that those passing simple prayers can sometimes seemingly be the most powerful with respect to later events.

As for a 9.0+ event,...far better it occur in a rural area than in a metropolitan area,.....unless of course we're speaking about a number of different homosexual communities in the US.

324 posted on 09/01/2002 1:37:15 AM PDT by Cvengr
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To: 2sheep
MUCH TO AGREE WITH IN YOUR POST.

I do personally believe, however, that God is . . . how to put it . . . more flexible in lots of respects and ways than we often construe Him or things to be.

I agree that repentance is always a first order priority.

I believe that the destruction awaiting the U.S. is to be moderated if, at all, by repentance.

You mentioned Jonah. God was happy to be more flexible with regard to Ninevah and was stern with Jonah because he wanted the destruction to follow through as originally slated. I think we must be cautious and averse to taking on Jonah's attitude toward Ninevah regardless of how much the U.S. may DESERVE such an attitude.

And, I believe, it is hazardous to presume that we know ALL THE DETAILS of God's inner ponderings on any matter--particularly judgement. We can be thankful that ultimately and overall--our Loving Father has decreed that mercy triumphs over judgement.

I don't know that mere mortals can articulate or define too precisely God's negotiating the tension between judgement and mercy. He often seems to keep His own counsel on such matters. We see the results.

He occasionally or maybe even frequently invites us to weigh in with behaviors which would "allow" Him within His priorities to lean more heavily toward mercy. . . the absence of redemptive decisions and actions of which clearly seem to leave the slant toward judgement in cases such as the U.S. currently.

I'm usually less and less comfortable with stands by prophetic or even very truly spiritual folk wherein they seem eager to assist God in slinging the lightening bolts. I've been in that stance overmuch in decades past and God has disciplined me sternly because of it.

In terms of "changing God's mind"--I think it's also hazardous to take stern stances on that curious phenomenon. Moses seems to have changed God's mind a time or 2. Post Christ, Pentecost etc. it is not too far fetched that even a child could end up changing God's mind on this or that--even a BIG this or that. I don't think we have enough evidence or data on that phenomenon to take firm, much less stern stances on the topic.

I certainly believe that contrition and humility as standard attitudes are FIRST ORDER PRIORITIES with respect to God and usually with respect to man.

Blessed by your post.
325 posted on 09/01/2002 10:33:08 AM PDT by Quix
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To: SamAdams76
I tend to agree with the inference of 2sheep.

I think your dream was predictive in at least a general sense.

PLEASE POST ANY FURTHER ONES!!!

YOU MIGHT DO WELL TO KEEP A DREAM JOURNAL of the more significant ones. Generally, we need to write them down within 2 minutes of waking--or less--or we'll forget them.
326 posted on 09/01/2002 10:35:06 AM PDT by Quix
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To: CJ Wolf
I SURE HOPE ****YOU**** ARE KEEPING A DREAM JOURNAL!

PLEASE KEEP US POSTED!
327 posted on 09/01/2002 10:40:46 AM PDT by Quix
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To: 2sheep
Dreams can be pieces of a puzzle which the Lord gives for us to figure out. Some want the whole journey ahead to be broad, easy and lit with Hollywood lighting and directions for every move, but that is not His way. He says the true way is narrow, difficult, and that the Word is "a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path." Ps 119:105. That is a little light and a constant continuing search for Him and His truth on the way.

WELL SAID.
328 posted on 09/01/2002 10:42:06 AM PDT by Quix
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To: Sabertooth
I agree that 400 miles beneath Antarctica would be one place. There are probably some others where damage would be "minimized" --whatever that relative term might mean.

I do agree that wherever it is LIKELY to occur--even with prayerful repentance and proper behavior on Bush's part--lots of damage of one sort or another is highly LIKELY.
329 posted on 09/01/2002 10:47:27 AM PDT by Quix
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To: Cvengr
I CONCUR WITH YOUR SENSIBILITIES AND PERCEPTIONS ABOUT SIMPLE PASSING PRAYERS.

I personally would have no doubt about your simple prayer having a key part in things.

I believe one of the grand mysteries of God is HIS GRACIOUS LOVING INVITATION FOR US TO HAVE A DIALOGUE WITH HIM IN PRAYER--AND EVEN BEYOND THAT--TO INFLUENCE THE GOD OF ALL CREATION THROUGH PRAYER. WHAT A FRIENDSHIP THAT IMPLIES!
330 posted on 09/01/2002 10:49:40 AM PDT by Quix
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To: 2sheep
On Sunday morning, August 25, I was taken in the Spirit and saw three large angels with flaming swords, who will soon fly over the continents of North and South America. A 9.0+ earthquake is about to occur, prior to the conclusion of 2002. These angels have the power to deflect the coming great quakes from the continents of North and South America to another part of the world where less damage would be incurred, or to lift their swords over the land in judgment.

It appears Mr. Snodgrass has come upon the (almost) perfect vision. If a 9.0+ quake happens here before 12/31/02, his vision is right. If we don't have a 9.0+ quake, that means the three angels interceded on our behalf and his vision is right. In other words: Heads I win, tails you lose.

Alas, there's one tiny mistake he made in his deciphering of his vision: 9.0+ quakes very rarely occur. Even quakes above ~8.2 or so rarely happen more than once a year; 9.0+ ones only happen (very roughly) once every 50 years or so somewhere around the world. And there have been only two 9.0 quakes in recorded American history, and both of those were in Alaska. The biggest quake evers to hit the US were in New Madrid, and those were in 1811 and 1812. So if some 9.0+ quake does hit somewhere in the next four months, then he's one heck of a prophet. And if one hits North or South America before 12/31, he's probably got Jesus on speed-dial.

331 posted on 09/01/2002 11:20:58 AM PDT by Timesink
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To: Quix
PLEASE POST ANY FURTHER ONES!!!

I just posted about another one this morning over here.

332 posted on 09/01/2002 2:41:47 PM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: SamAdams76
No alerts so far.
333 posted on 09/01/2002 2:48:11 PM PDT by Consort
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To: Timesink
I'm certainly watching him, his site and events closely. I've long expected a prophetic voice to rise among the junk and speak accurately, wisely, humbly. He could be such a one. I still don't expect him to be perfect on such matters but I'd be delighted if he turned out to be relatively so or better.

I guess I do expect a very serious quake in the next 4 months if not in the next 15-60 days. Some claim the next 15 are especially vulnerable days. We shall see.
334 posted on 09/01/2002 8:08:05 PM PDT by Quix
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To: Quix; Prodigal Daughter; Thinkin' Gal
>God was happy to be more flexible with regard to Ninevah and was stern with Jonah because he wanted the destruction to follow through as originally slated.  I think we must be cautious and averse to taking on Jonah's attitude toward Ninevah regardless of how much the U.S. may DESERVE such an attitude.

No one on this thread has taken an attitude of wanting to see the destruction of America, so I'm not sure who you are including in your "we."  If you think I have, then you should rebuke the spirit that told you that, because that is not true.

Just before the Towers fell, people were exiting the doors and were met with security guards who told them, "No, don't get out.  Go back in.   You are safe and everything is just fine."  Some went back in the building to their deaths minutes later.

The apostate Church has many false teachers and false prophets that for generations have tried to take the edge off of G~d's word and make it palatable for the masses on the broad way to destruction.  Beware that you do not err and join them.  Instead of "Repent" they get people to "Repeat" a Sinner's Prayer and instead of teaching of the "goodness AND severity" of G~d, they have taught the lie, "G~d loves you too much to let you suffer," and preach a G~d is all goodness and NO severity.  In fact, they have presented a whole set of lies and twists of scripture as they have suffered Jezebel to teach and seduce the L~rd's people.  See, What Jezebel says to the Church

Re 2:18 And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass;
19 I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first.
20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.
21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.
22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
>We can be thankful that ultimately and overall--our Loving Father has decreed that mercy triumphs over judgement.

You left out the first half of the verse:  N.B.  Jas 2:13 For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.  Here is a measure of no mercy:

>I don't know that mere mortals can articulate or define too precisely God's negotiating the tension between judgement and mercy. He often seems to keep His own counsel on such matters. We see the results.

One can read the Word and see what G~d loves and what He hates and conform accordingly.  If one refuses to do so, then he is deaf and will not know the mind of the Lord and is not a sheep.  Jn 10:26-27.

>I'm usually less and less comfortable with stands by prophetic or even very truly spiritual folk wherein they seem eager to assist God in slinging the lightening bolts. I've been in that stance overmuch in decades past and God has disciplined me sternly because of it.

Ezek 3:18-20; 18; and 33 all command to warn of coming judgment.  If you want to error on the side of "not warning," fine.  I would rather give people all the information and tell them to seek G~d individually for what they should do.  To fail to warn people or blunt the message is to not have a sufficient fear of the L~rd which is the beginning of understanding:

Eze 33:1 Again the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
2 Son of man, speak to the children of thy people, and say unto them, When I bring the sword upon a land, if the people of the land take a man of their coasts, and set him for their watchman:
3 If when he seeth the sword come upon the land, he blow the trumpet, and warn the people;
4 Then whosoever heareth the sound of the trumpet, and taketh not warning; if the sword come, and take him away, his blood shall be upon his own head.
5 He heard the sound of the trumpet, and took not warning; his blood shall be upon him. But he that taketh warning shall deliver his soul.
6 But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand.
7 So thou, O son of man, I have set thee a watchman unto the house of Israel; therefore thou shalt hear the word at my mouth, and warn them from me.
8 When I say unto the wicked, O wicked man, thou shalt surely die; if thou dost not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.
9 Nevertheless, if thou warn the wicked of his way to turn from it; if he do not turn from his way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul.
>In terms of "changing God's mind"--I think it's also hazardous to take stern stances on that curious phenomenon. Moses seems to have changed God's mind...

Moses was righteous.  Most now are not.  Even Moses didn't get his own way many times and he didn't enter the promised land.

Nu 14:18 The LORD is longsuffering, and of great mercy, forgiving iniquity and transgression, and by no means clearing the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation.

335 posted on 09/01/2002 11:16:15 PM PDT by 2sheep
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To: 2sheep; Alamo-Girl
DEAR PRECIOUS BRO AND SIS,

NO, I wasn't meaning per se, you necessarily. I *DID* feel in some of your phrasing, sentences that what I'm talking about was lurking uncomfortably close. I suppose if Holy Spirit affirms to you what I was saying as applying to you in any degree, then you'd probably do well to take it to heart. But I was mostly raising a warning in general as triggered by what I felt as I read some of your phrases.

Am NOT trying to take the edge off God's Word for the masses or anyone else. I have been learning the hard way in my life and walk with God that He tends to be lightening-bolty with fewer people than my humanness would tend to be that way with. . . and that at some point He has been very stern with me about taking too much of such a stance too often and too strongly. He has emphasized that HE ALONE HAS THE PERSPECTIVE AND WISDOM AND LOVE TO DIRECT AND ADMINISTER SUCH RIGHTEOUS ANGER.

Of ALL people I know, I have more experience with God's Goodness and severity/suffering. I would not want to dare give the impression that God is never severe etc.

You are quite right about the merciless abortions and about the first part of that Scripture. IN FACT, THAT FIRST PART IS ONE REASON I PREFER TO ERR ON THE SIDE OF MERCY.

YES!!! I BELIEVE IT'S CRUCIAL TO: read the Word and see what G~d loves and what He hates and conform accordingly. . . . and that most do far too little of such in daily practice.

I did NOT say anything about NOT warning. I think if you review my life on FR you will find that I have stuck my neck and about everything else out to be chopped off quite above average for beleivers hereon--WARNING, WARNING, WARNING. I think you may misconstrue my erring on the side of mercy as erring on the side of failing to warn. They are TWO very DIFFERENT THINGS. I'm surprised you would accuse me of failing to warn hereon!!! I'm just as "in-your-face" with rampant warnings in other spheres of my life. I take Scriptures about warning very, very seriously.

Yes, Moses didn't get his way all the time by any means.

I do believe not "clearing the guilty" speaks of an attitude of the heart as well as behaviors. Growing up in the A of G church, I often felt like I had to repent and be rebaptized every time I frowned else I'd miss Heaven. God's Grace and Salvation are more robust than that. He is very keenly intent about the attitudes of our hearts in terms of punishment earning guilt.

Thank you for the thoughtfulness and caring of your post. I appreciate your "iron-sharpening-iron" relationship.

God's rich blessing to you both.

LUB,



336 posted on 09/02/2002 3:36:41 AM PDT by Quix
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To: Quix
>NO, I wasn't meaning per se, you necessarily. I *DID* feel in some of your phrasing, sentences that what I'm talking about was lurking uncomfortably close. I suppose if Holy Spirit affirms to you what I was saying as applying to you in any degree, then you'd probably do well to take it to heart. But I was mostly raising a warning in general as triggered by what I felt as I read some of your phrases.

I didn't feel any conviction of the Holy Spirit, but rather that I was falsely accused.  You said here:

>You mentioned Jonah. God was happy to be more flexible with regard to Ninevah and was stern with Jonah because he wanted the destruction to follow through as originally slated. I think we must be cautious and averse to taking on Jonah's attitude toward Ninevah regardless of how much the U.S. may DESERVE such an attitude.

Jonah had said, "Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown."  They repented from the king of Ninevah on down.  There was no middle lukewarm compromise.  God wasn't "more flexible" as they believed the prophet.  He also wasn't "more flexible" 120 years later when they fell away and he destroyed them then.  You inferred above that "we" must not take Jonah's attitude which you defined as wanting to stamp out Ninevah.  I simply said that is not our attitude.  Our attitude is this:

Ps 37:30 The mouth of the righteous speaketh wisdom, and his tongue talketh of judgment.

Those who don't want to repent and who love their sin unto death are annoyed by that.

337 posted on 09/02/2002 4:28:20 AM PDT by 2sheep
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To: 2sheep
THANKS FOR YOUR KIND REPLY,

2S: I didn't feel any conviction of the Holy Spirit, but rather that I was falsely accused.

Q: *******IF******* HOLY SPIRIT leave you or anyone free of any conviction--THEN--the perspective I'd felt in my spirit may well not be for you or whomever.

Q: However, after added prayer on yours and my last post, I ALSO feel constrained in my spirit to note:

Q: *******IF******* the shoe fits wherever, whenever, however, to whatever degree--then to that degree and fit, one would be wise to wear it and learn therefrom. This has been my experience amidst and after LOTS of attempts at slinging lots of well earned lightening bolts and warnings.

2S: Jonah had said, "Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown." They repented from the king of Ninevah on down. There was no middle lukewarm compromise

Q: Quite so. But Abraham asked if what--100, 50 even 10 souls were righteous--and God went with every number Abraham asked--which might arguably be described as being somewhat flexible [I realize God knew the reality but still, I don't think He was just giving Abraham glib, patronizing responses].

Q: I don't believe God has revealed to any prophet to my knowledge the number of righteous; nor the number of people hours or minutes in fasting and prayer; nor the set of Presidential, legislative actions or number of leaders required to sit in sack-cloth and ashes on Pennsylvania (sp?) avenue; nor the number of churches and individual Christians required to repent to each other and heal relationships; nor the number of abortion Dr's required to repent and make restitution etc. etc. etc. BEFORE GOD WOULD MODIFY THIS OR THAT SPECIFIC EVENT OF JUSTICE.

Q: I'm not aware of God declaring any where to date that *******ALL******* opportunities for mercy in every respect at every level for every individual, every group, every locale in the U.S. are 110% over and past and that every prayer etc. at this point is futile.

2S: Ps 37:30 The mouth of the righteous speaketh wisdom, and his tongue talketh of judgment.

Q: YES! TRUE ENOUGH. Yet, I suspect there are ample contrasting, parallel Scriptures on speaking wisdom in mercy; truth in Love etc. And, it may be that you are called to do so more in judgement and I am called to do so more in Love. God sometimes apportions tasks and callings that way.

2S: Those who don't want to repent and who love their sin unto death are annoyed by that.

Q: If you are reflective and honest with yourself, I suspect you would agree that I've not been overly resistant to annoying people.

Q: I HAVE, however, tried very hard to make my words MORE HEARABLE, wise, winsome, compassionate where I-with-God's-help-can--except when speaking to pharisees and the out-right defiant and rebellious. I feel constrained in my spirit that such is the stance and approach God would have of me INSTEAD of my more traditional, decades more experienced and practiced years of lightening bolt slinging.

Q: I would merely add a suggestion that something about SOME of the nuances of SOME of your responses leave me constrained to encourage you to take such issues again to The Lord in prayer. But I certainly respect and support you in whatever Biblical stances you feel constrained to take.

Q: Bless you both in your continued ministry. LUB
338 posted on 09/02/2002 8:50:35 AM PDT by Quix
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To: Jimer; SamAdams76; JudyB1938; rwfromkansas; Sabertooth; CJ Wolf; 2sheep; Cvengr; Timesink; ...
Got some minutes ago the emails on the two 5.x Oregon quakes--off the coast of Oregon. Looking at the USGS maps at:

http://neic.usgs.gov/neis/bulletin/neic_ipak_h.html

I had a slight to moderately strong feeling that these are part of a build-up. I'd be interested in anyone else's impressions in their spirit, intuition etc.

339 posted on 09/02/2002 3:12:57 PM PDT by Quix
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To: Quix
Posted here:   Four Earthquakes off the Coast of Oregon
340 posted on 09/02/2002 4:00:35 PM PDT by 2sheep
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