EARTH CHANGES APPROACHING

APIntercessors@yahoogroups.com ^ | 19 AUG 2002 and earlier | Timothy Snodgrass

[Quix]

He did NOT say prevented--but the epicenter moved away from North or South America.

He noted that several things were changeable and some not in the prediction and he did not specify which were what etc.

[2sheep]

My sense is that the L~rd is not nearly as ambivalent or indecisive as Mr. Snodgrass.  Although his vision may be true, emphasis in his interpretation should be on repentance.  Too many people who say they are saved by grace treat it as an excuse for continuing in sin.  The L~rd is calling for genuine repentance and not for prayer to change His mind about judgment or relocation of the epicenter. 

I can't conceive of where one would pray that He send the epicenter of a 9.+ quake and it not hurt a lot of people badly.

[Sabertooth]

I can't conceive of where one would pray that He send the epicenter of a 9.+ quake and it not hurt a lot of people badly.

400 miles beneath Antarctica, for one.

[Cvengr]

FWIW, about 20 years ago I constructed a building in the middle of the Mojave Desert. Near its completion I looked out upon a vista of extremely remote barren terrain, terra incognita which time had forgotten and made a simple prayer that should a massive earthquake occur in that area , perhaps it might be made in that area so as not to harm too many innocent victims. Some 16 years later the epicenter of the Hector Mines earthquake happened to hit within about 500m of the area I had been glancing prior to my simple passing prayer 16 yrs earlier. (I want to say within 100m, but the general area I remember was about a 3 mile x 3 mile area in an expanse of about 35 x 70 miles.

Mind you, this doesn't mean my prayer caused anything, For all glory goes to Him, and He has such power not myself, but I have noticed that those passing simple prayers can sometimes seemingly be the most powerful with respect to later events.

As for a 9.0+ event,...far better it occur in a rural area than in a metropolitan area,.....unless of course we're speaking about a number of different homosexual communities in the US.

[Quix]

MUCH TO AGREE WITH IN YOUR POST.

I do personally believe, however, that God is . . . how to put it . . . more flexible in lots of respects and ways than we often construe Him or things to be.

I agree that repentance is always a first order priority.

I believe that the destruction awaiting the U.S. is to be moderated if, at all, by repentance.

You mentioned Jonah. God was happy to be more flexible with regard to Ninevah and was stern with Jonah because he wanted the destruction to follow through as originally slated. I think we must be cautious and averse to taking on Jonah's attitude toward Ninevah regardless of how much the U.S. may DESERVE such an attitude.

And, I believe, it is hazardous to presume that we know ALL THE DETAILS of God's inner ponderings on any matter--particularly judgement. We can be thankful that ultimately and overall--our Loving Father has decreed that mercy triumphs over judgement.

I don't know that mere mortals can articulate or define too precisely God's negotiating the tension between judgement and mercy. He often seems to keep His own counsel on such matters. We see the results.

He occasionally or maybe even frequently invites us to weigh in with behaviors which would "allow" Him within His priorities to lean more heavily toward mercy. . . the absence of redemptive decisions and actions of which clearly seem to leave the slant toward judgement in cases such as the U.S. currently.

I'm usually less and less comfortable with stands by prophetic or even very truly spiritual folk wherein they seem eager to assist God in slinging the lightening bolts. I've been in that stance overmuch in decades past and God has disciplined me sternly because of it.

In terms of "changing God's mind"--I think it's also hazardous to take stern stances on that curious phenomenon. Moses seems to have changed God's mind a time or 2. Post Christ, Pentecost etc. it is not too far fetched that even a child could end up changing God's mind on this or that--even a BIG this or that. I don't think we have enough evidence or data on that phenomenon to take firm, much less stern stances on the topic.

I certainly believe that contrition and humility as standard attitudes are FIRST ORDER PRIORITIES with respect to God and usually with respect to man.

Blessed by your post.

[Quix]

I tend to agree with the inference of 2sheep.

I think your dream was predictive in at least a general sense.

PLEASE POST ANY FURTHER ONES!!!

YOU MIGHT DO WELL TO KEEP A DREAM JOURNAL of the more significant ones. Generally, we need to write them down within 2 minutes of waking--or less--or we'll forget them.

[Quix]

I SURE HOPE ****YOU**** ARE KEEPING A DREAM JOURNAL!

PLEASE KEEP US POSTED!

[Quix]

Dreams can be pieces of a puzzle which the Lord gives for us to figure out. Some want the whole journey ahead to be broad, easy and lit with Hollywood lighting and directions for every move, but that is not His way. He says the true way is narrow, difficult, and that the Word is "a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path." Ps 119:105. That is a little light and a constant continuing search for Him and His truth on the way.

WELL SAID.

[Quix]

I agree that 400 miles beneath Antarctica would be one place. There are probably some others where damage would be "minimized" --whatever that relative term might mean.

I do agree that wherever it is LIKELY to occur--even with prayerful repentance and proper behavior on Bush's part--lots of damage of one sort or another is highly LIKELY.

[Quix]

I CONCUR WITH YOUR SENSIBILITIES AND PERCEPTIONS ABOUT SIMPLE PASSING PRAYERS.

I personally would have no doubt about your simple prayer having a key part in things.

I believe one of the grand mysteries of God is HIS GRACIOUS LOVING INVITATION FOR US TO HAVE A DIALOGUE WITH HIM IN PRAYER--AND EVEN BEYOND THAT--TO INFLUENCE THE GOD OF ALL CREATION THROUGH PRAYER. WHAT A FRIENDSHIP THAT IMPLIES!

[Timesink]

On Sunday morning, August 25, I was taken in the Spirit and saw three large angels with flaming swords, who will soon fly over the continents of North and South America. A 9.0+ earthquake is about to occur, prior to the conclusion of 2002. These angels have the power to deflect the coming great quakes from the continents of North and South America to another part of the world where less damage would be incurred, or to lift their swords over the land in judgment.

It appears Mr. Snodgrass has come upon the (almost) perfect vision. If a 9.0+ quake happens here before 12/31/02, his vision is right. If we don't have a 9.0+ quake, that means the three angels interceded on our behalf and his vision is right. In other words: Heads I win, tails you lose.

Alas, there's one tiny mistake he made in his deciphering of his vision: 9.0+ quakes very rarely occur. Even quakes above ~8.2 or so rarely happen more than once a year; 9.0+ ones only happen (very roughly) once every 50 years or so somewhere around the world. And there have been only two 9.0 quakes in recorded American history, and both of those were in Alaska. The biggest quake evers to hit the US were in New Madrid, and those were in 1811 and 1812. So if some 9.0+ quake does hit somewhere in the next four months, then he's one heck of a prophet. And if one hits North or South America before 12/31, he's probably got Jesus on speed-dial.

[SamAdams76]

PLEASE POST ANY FURTHER ONES!!!

I just posted about another one this morning over here.

[Consort]

No alerts so far.

[Quix]

I'm certainly watching him, his site and events closely. I've long expected a prophetic voice to rise among the junk and speak accurately, wisely, humbly. He could be such a one. I still don't expect him to be perfect on such matters but I'd be delighted if he turned out to be relatively so or better.

I guess I do expect a very serious quake in the next 4 months if not in the next 15-60 days. Some claim the next 15 are especially vulnerable days. We shall see.

[2sheep]

>God was happy to be more flexible with regard to Ninevah and was stern with Jonah because he wanted the destruction to follow through as originally slated.  I think we must be cautious and averse to taking on Jonah's attitude toward Ninevah regardless of how much the U.S. may DESERVE such an attitude.

No one on this thread has taken an attitude of wanting to see the destruction of America, so I'm not sure who you are including in your "we."  If you think I have, then you should rebuke the spirit that told you that, because that is not true.

Just before the Towers fell, people were exiting the doors and were met with security guards who told them, "No, don't get out.  Go back in.   You are safe and everything is just fine."  Some went back in the building to their deaths minutes later.

The apostate Church has many false teachers and false prophets that for generations have tried to take the edge off of G~d's word and make it palatable for the masses on the broad way to destruction.  Beware that you do not err and join them.  Instead of "Repent" they get people to "Repeat" a Sinner's Prayer and instead of teaching of the "goodness AND severity" of G~d, they have taught the lie, "G~d loves you too much to let you suffer," and preach a G~d is all goodness and NO severity.  In fact, they have presented a whole set of lies and twists of scripture as they have suffered Jezebel to teach and seduce the L~rd's people.  See, What Jezebel says to the Church

Re 2:18 And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass;
19 I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first.
20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.
21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.
22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

>We can be thankful that ultimately and overall--our Loving Father has decreed that mercy triumphs over judgement.

You left out the first half of the verse:  N.B.  Jas 2:13 For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.  Here is a measure of no mercy:

• Every week in the U.S. abortionists kill 4 times as many people who died in the WTC tragedy.
• Every major city in America has an abortion clinic that kills at least 5,000 babies every year.
• Some sources indicate 100 million children have been killed by surgical abortion in the U.S. since 1973.

>I don't know that mere mortals can articulate or define too precisely God's negotiating the tension between judgement and mercy. He often seems to keep His own counsel on such matters. We see the results.

One can read the Word and see what G~d loves and what He hates and conform accordingly.  If one refuses to do so, then he is deaf and will not know the mind of the Lord and is not a sheep.  Jn 10:26-27.

>I'm usually less and less comfortable with stands by prophetic or even very truly spiritual folk wherein they seem eager to assist God in slinging the lightening bolts. I've been in that stance overmuch in decades past and God has disciplined me sternly because of it.

Ezek 3:18-20; 18; and 33 all command to warn of coming judgment.  If you want to error on the side of "not warning," fine.  I would rather give people all the information and tell them to seek G~d individually for what they should do.  To fail to warn people or blunt the message is to not have a sufficient fear of the L~rd which is the beginning of understanding:

Eze 33:1 Again the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
2 Son of man, speak to the children of thy people, and say unto them, When I bring the sword upon a land, if the people of the land take a man of their coasts, and set him for their watchman:
3 If when he seeth the sword come upon the land, he blow the trumpet, and warn the people;
4 Then whosoever heareth the sound of the trumpet, and taketh not warning; if the sword come, and take him away, his blood shall be upon his own head.
5 He heard the sound of the trumpet, and took not warning; his blood shall be upon him. But he that taketh warning shall deliver his soul.
6 But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand.
7 So thou, O son of man, I have set thee a watchman unto the house of Israel; therefore thou shalt hear the word at my mouth, and warn them from me.
8 When I say unto the wicked, O wicked man, thou shalt surely die; if thou dost not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.
9 Nevertheless, if thou warn the wicked of his way to turn from it; if he do not turn from his way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul.

>In terms of "changing God's mind"--I think it's also hazardous to take stern stances on that curious phenomenon. Moses seems to have changed God's mind...

Moses was righteous.  Most now are not.  Even Moses didn't get his own way many times and he didn't enter the promised land.

Nu 14:18 The LORD is longsuffering, and of great mercy, forgiving iniquity and transgression, and by no means clearing the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation.

[Quix]

DEAR PRECIOUS BRO AND SIS,

NO, I wasn't meaning per se, you necessarily. I *DID* feel in some of your phrasing, sentences that what I'm talking about was lurking uncomfortably close. I suppose if Holy Spirit affirms to you what I was saying as applying to you in any degree, then you'd probably do well to take it to heart. But I was mostly raising a warning in general as triggered by what I felt as I read some of your phrases.

Am NOT trying to take the edge off God's Word for the masses or anyone else. I have been learning the hard way in my life and walk with God that He tends to be lightening-bolty with fewer people than my humanness would tend to be that way with. . . and that at some point He has been very stern with me about taking too much of such a stance too often and too strongly. He has emphasized that HE ALONE HAS THE PERSPECTIVE AND WISDOM AND LOVE TO DIRECT AND ADMINISTER SUCH RIGHTEOUS ANGER.

Of ALL people I know, I have more experience with God's Goodness and severity/suffering. I would not want to dare give the impression that God is never severe etc.

You are quite right about the merciless abortions and about the first part of that Scripture. IN FACT, THAT FIRST PART IS ONE REASON I PREFER TO ERR ON THE SIDE OF MERCY.

YES!!! I BELIEVE IT'S CRUCIAL TO: read the Word and see what G~d loves and what He hates and conform accordingly. . . . and that most do far too little of such in daily practice.

I did NOT say anything about NOT warning. I think if you review my life on FR you will find that I have stuck my neck and about everything else out to be chopped off quite above average for beleivers hereon--WARNING, WARNING, WARNING. I think you may misconstrue my erring on the side of mercy as erring on the side of failing to warn. They are TWO very DIFFERENT THINGS. I'm surprised you would accuse me of failing to warn hereon!!! I'm just as "in-your-face" with rampant warnings in other spheres of my life. I take Scriptures about warning very, very seriously.

Yes, Moses didn't get his way all the time by any means.

I do believe not "clearing the guilty" speaks of an attitude of the heart as well as behaviors. Growing up in the A of G church, I often felt like I had to repent and be rebaptized every time I frowned else I'd miss Heaven. God's Grace and Salvation are more robust than that. He is very keenly intent about the attitudes of our hearts in terms of punishment earning guilt.

Thank you for the thoughtfulness and caring of your post. I appreciate your "iron-sharpening-iron" relationship.

God's rich blessing to you both.

LUB,

[2sheep]

>NO, I wasn't meaning per se, you necessarily. I *DID* feel in some of your phrasing, sentences that what I'm talking about was lurking uncomfortably close. I suppose if Holy Spirit affirms to you what I was saying as applying to you in any degree, then you'd probably do well to take it to heart. But I was mostly raising a warning in general as triggered by what I felt as I read some of your phrases.

I didn't feel any conviction of the Holy Spirit, but rather that I was falsely accused.  You said here:

>You mentioned Jonah. God was happy to be more flexible with regard to Ninevah and was stern with Jonah because he wanted the destruction to follow through as originally slated. I think we must be cautious and averse to taking on Jonah's attitude toward Ninevah regardless of how much the U.S. may DESERVE such an attitude.

Jonah had said, "Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown."  They repented from the king of Ninevah on down.  There was no middle lukewarm compromise.  God wasn't "more flexible" as they believed the prophet.  He also wasn't "more flexible" 120 years later when they fell away and he destroyed them then.  You inferred above that "we" must not take Jonah's attitude which you defined as wanting to stamp out Ninevah.  I simply said that is not our attitude.  Our attitude is this:

Ps 37:30 The mouth of the righteous speaketh wisdom, and his tongue talketh of judgment.

Those who don't want to repent and who love their sin unto death are annoyed by that.

[Quix]

THANKS FOR YOUR KIND REPLY,

2S: I didn't feel any conviction of the Holy Spirit, but rather that I was falsely accused.

Q: *******IF******* HOLY SPIRIT leave you or anyone free of any conviction--THEN--the perspective I'd felt in my spirit may well not be for you or whomever.

Q: However, after added prayer on yours and my last post, I ALSO feel constrained in my spirit to note:

Q: *******IF******* the shoe fits wherever, whenever, however, to whatever degree--then to that degree and fit, one would be wise to wear it and learn therefrom. This has been my experience amidst and after LOTS of attempts at slinging lots of well earned lightening bolts and warnings.

2S: Jonah had said, "Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown." They repented from the king of Ninevah on down. There was no middle lukewarm compromise

Q: Quite so. But Abraham asked if what--100, 50 even 10 souls were righteous--and God went with every number Abraham asked--which might arguably be described as being somewhat flexible [I realize God knew the reality but still, I don't think He was just giving Abraham glib, patronizing responses].

Q: I don't believe God has revealed to any prophet to my knowledge the number of righteous; nor the number of people hours or minutes in fasting and prayer; nor the set of Presidential, legislative actions or number of leaders required to sit in sack-cloth and ashes on Pennsylvania (sp?) avenue; nor the number of churches and individual Christians required to repent to each other and heal relationships; nor the number of abortion Dr's required to repent and make restitution etc. etc. etc. BEFORE GOD WOULD MODIFY THIS OR THAT SPECIFIC EVENT OF JUSTICE.

Q: I'm not aware of God declaring any where to date that *******ALL******* opportunities for mercy in every respect at every level for every individual, every group, every locale in the U.S. are 110% over and past and that every prayer etc. at this point is futile.

2S: Ps 37:30 The mouth of the righteous speaketh wisdom, and his tongue talketh of judgment.

Q: YES! TRUE ENOUGH. Yet, I suspect there are ample contrasting, parallel Scriptures on speaking wisdom in mercy; truth in Love etc. And, it may be that you are called to do so more in judgement and I am called to do so more in Love. God sometimes apportions tasks and callings that way.

2S: Those who don't want to repent and who love their sin unto death are annoyed by that.

Q: If you are reflective and honest with yourself, I suspect you would agree that I've not been overly resistant to annoying people.

Q: I HAVE, however, tried very hard to make my words MORE HEARABLE, wise, winsome, compassionate where I-with-God's-help-can--except when speaking to pharisees and the out-right defiant and rebellious. I feel constrained in my spirit that such is the stance and approach God would have of me INSTEAD of my more traditional, decades more experienced and practiced years of lightening bolt slinging.

Q: I would merely add a suggestion that something about SOME of the nuances of SOME of your responses leave me constrained to encourage you to take such issues again to The Lord in prayer. But I certainly respect and support you in whatever Biblical stances you feel constrained to take.

Q: Bless you both in your continued ministry. LUB

[Quix]

Got some minutes ago the emails on the two 5.x Oregon quakes--off the coast of Oregon. Looking at the USGS maps at:

http://neic.usgs.gov/neis/bulletin/neic_ipak_h.html

I had a slight to moderately strong feeling that these are part of a build-up. I'd be interested in anyone else's impressions in their spirit, intuition etc.

[2sheep]

Posted here:   Four Earthquakes off the Coast of Oregon