Elizabeth Smart case, August 15, 2002

[IamHD]

New thread for Elizabeth.

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Ack!! I'm sorry for the double ping! I'm having server problems, and thought that I was already disconnected before I posted again! :)

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[lakey]

Thank you.

[Vinomori]

I believe the reason this case looks like it has not been solved yet is because it has been solved.

[trussell]

Bump

[cherry]

and????

[lakey]

Oh? Give us your conclusions, please.

And answer, if you can, when does the FBI enter a kidnapping case? Used to be only when they had evidence that the perp took the victim over a state line.

I'll look for your answer tomorrow.

[glock rocks]

from this morning's salt lake tribune

Smarts Plead for Daughter's Return; Father Says He Thinks Ricci Involved

i am curious what the wyoming cops/ fbi have done up where ricci was supposed to
be digging post holes during the week he had the jeep out... (wasn't it near cheyenne?)

[sandude]

In my memory kidnapping became a federal crime after the Lindberg baby was murdered. At that time there were a lot more kidnappings for ransom per capita than we see now. Unfortunately our generation is plagued more by kidnapping for sex which is more heinous in my estimation. Lindberg was an icon who was loved by the people and the crime touched a nerve much in the same way that the Samantha Runion case did here in Southern California. There was a demand to have something done so the Federal Government stepped up to the plate. I don't have the statistics handy but it did actually help in reducing the number of abductions. In all three of the recent California abductions, Samantha, Lancaster teens, and Jessica (4 year old found yesterday) the FBI was involved right from the start. I don't remember if they were working the Van Damn case or not.

[L84AD8]

glock rocks & all,

That story about the Wyoming fence digging, as it relates to Ricci was reported by Deanne Newhouse. She is a friend of Angela and lives nearby. I think she lives in the same Shadow Ridge Estates where Ricci had lived, if I'm not mistaken.

I thought the story had been discounted. Maybe not. I know that Deanne stated that her sister, Kathy (Larson, I think) who lives near Cheyenne, Wyoming, had video tape of Ricci dressed like the man who kidnapped Elizabeth. Cap and all! But, the FBI showed up for the video, only to learn that Kathy had taped over Ricci and his outfit.

Also, at that time, it was implied that Ricci was in Wyoming digging fence holes for Kathy. That, I believe, is the part that was discredited. Not sure.

This Deanne was a virtual fountain of information about Ricci. Then, it turns out, she has a motive. She is up on some criminal charges of her own this month. Maybe she wanted to 'deal' with the info about Ricci for herself?

[cookiedough]

Yes, she probably sees Ricci as her get out of jail free card.

[landerwy]

Cheyenne is about 450 miles from SLC. How many miles did Moul originally say the jeep was driven? I know on Ashley Banfield he said between 500 and 1000, but I thought he said something higher earlier.

[cherry]

"But, the FBI showed up for the video, only to learn that Kathy had taped over Ricci and his outfit."

how sweet and convienient......

[dalebert]

bump to read later

[cherry]

"Cheyenne is about 450 miles from SLC. How many miles did Moul originally say the jeep was driven? I know on Ashley Banfield he said between 500 and 1000, but I thought he said something higher earlier."

here are the questions :

Ricci was seen by his wife and that crazy Thurber guy the morning of the kidnapping about 8am minimally....if Ricci is the perp and did something with Lizzie and if the timetable that the cops say is true.

... well, that means Ricci from between 1:30 am and 8:00 am took Lizzie, drove her somewhere, buried her after killing her, then got home to be fussing under the trailor for Thumper Thurber to see him.....that in 6 1/2 hours?

My thought is that the timeline is very wrong....that perhaps the kidnapping took place much later than that....remember the squealing tires?.....and that Ricci's wife says they were awake early for the tv news...so the window might be only from 2:30 to 6:30 or so....not enough time to hide a body very far...(close enough to hand a girl off though)...the wife has passed a poly and I assume that Thurber has too....so I tend to believe the 4 hour window is true....the window of opportunity for Ricci was small..

. That having been said.....if Ricci took LIzzie....he could have hidden her very close in....very close to town..or he could have handed her off...( in which case the 1000 miles on his jeep are a decoy?)...and of course,, he could have just not done it period....

. he was under surveillance of some kind wasn't he...after cops came and talked to him?..at least we know the cops talked to him early on...I think the 6th...and they had to have had him in the back of their mind...could Ricci have sneaked off and put 1000 miles on his jeep despite being at work, talking to the police, etc?....and could he have done that with a body in the back of the jeep...or could he have done that if he had to go pick a body up and transfer the body to his jeep...???

I don't think these supposed 1000 miles are significant unless someone can tell me how Ricci did it.....how did he kidnap , kill, drive, and bury in that short a time frame?

NOthing makes sense...

I do believe the cops have the information....just that they are playing their cards to their advantage....don't know if its Ricci or not.....

I do think there is a lot of distortion of facts both from Ricci and his wife and from the cops....

I would love to know if the cops saw the jeep the morning they questioned Ricci? surely, there has to be a witness somewhere that saw that jeep...

But its a mighty tall tale for Ricci to do all that he is accused of in that jeep....