[pupdog]

William Leone, an investigator with the Mutual UFO Network, said soil analysis could determine whether the circles have human or extraterrestrial origins.

OK. I'm about as Fox Mulder as they get in terms of giving the benefit of the doubt to the "supernatural." But the thing is, we've already seen videotapes of people making these things. It's not like we don't know we have the capability to do this.

So could someone give me any plausible reason why we should suspect that all of these are anything but human created? I'm not trying to bash the believers, but Occam's Razor is pretty clear on this one.

Seriously, any advocate or devil's advocate, please speak up. I'm really curious.

[G.Mason]

"I'm not trying to bash the believers...."

I am.

[Billy_bob_bob]

Crop circles? I don't pretend to know what causes them, but I do know that a couple of guys with some rope and a plank couldn't make most of the ones I've seen. They are just too precise, too intricate, too large and they appear too quickly (overnight). You tell me how even a crew of people could create one of these in one day, in broad daylight! Seriously, I bet you couldn't get a team of contractors to produce some of the ones I've seen, they were just enormous, covering acres of land. And this happens overnight in every case that I'm aware of, so the parameters are:

A: Crews of people
B: Working at night during mostly summer months with short nights, sometimes less than eight hours
C: Creating enormous artistic works that are amazingly precise in their execution
D: Creating their works in a single night in every case
D: Without ever being detected!

There has never been a farmer who ran into a crew of vandals cutting crop circles into their fields. Not one that I'm aware of.

Are there prank crop circles? Sure there are. But there are a whole lot of them that just defy that explanation. I don't have an answer but I ain't buying the "prankster" explanation.

[ForOurFuture]

OK. I'm about as Fox Mulder as they get in terms of giving the benefit of the doubt to the "supernatural." But the thing is, we've already seen videotapes of people making these things. It's not like we don't know we have the capability to do this.

So could someone give me any plausible reason why we should suspect that all of these are anything but human created? I'm not trying to bash the believers, but Occam's Razor is pretty clear on this one.

Seriously, any advocate or devil's advocate, please speak up. I'm really curious.

Look at post 83. There are some, but very few, who can create an 'authentic' looking crop circle. Even those are simple. I can hardly imagine any man with the genius, tools, and skill required to create in one night even the minimally complex crop circles. If he exists, I'd like to meet him.

[rightofrush]

Do a search on Amazon.com for Linda Molton Howe. She won a Pulitzer for her reports on cattle mutilations, and done 20 years or so research on the topic of crop circles and mutilations.

[rwfromkansas]

Some are hoaxes. But to suggest that every single one.....and there are a lot, are hoaxes, doesn't make much sense to me.

The perfect design and perfect bending over of the crop in some cases makes me think they can't be all hoaxes.