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Mysterious Suburban Chicago Crop Circles
NBC 5 Chicago ^ | 7/26/02 | NBC 5 Chicago

Posted on 07/26/2002 11:24:55 AM PDT by Dengar01

Timing Suspicious On Mysterious Suburban Crop Circles
Could Eerie Mystery Have To Do With Movie Release?

Is it a case of mysterious crop circles -- or an elaborate movie hoax?

A soybean farmer in Naperville said the broken, concentric rings that appeared in a field off Diehl Road left him scratching his head.

"Have you ever heard of something so crazy?" Steve Berning said. "Unbelievable."

Berning said the circles appeared last weekend and damaged more than 10 percent of his 8-acre field.

The circles do resemble similar ones seen in England, but in this case, the timing of their appearance in the western suburb is a bit suspicious.

Two weeks from now, "Signs" hits the big screen. The movie starring Mel Gibson involves -- you guessed it -- mysterious crop circles.

William Leone, an investigator with the Mutual UFO Network, said soil analysis could determine whether the circles have human or extraterrestrial origins.

But Illinois Farm Bureau spokesman Dennis Vercler scoffed at that idea.

"Since I don't believe in UFOs -- at least not soybean-destroying UFOs -- I have to assume whoever did this did it intentionally as a malicious prank," Vercler said.

Meanwhile, Berning doesn't seem overly upset about the circles.

"There's some damage, which upsets me," Berning said. "But I'm more curious than anything. I"ll always be asking questions."


TOPICS: UFO's
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To: FormerLurker
Okham's Razor. Since the vast majority of people in the western world have seen that shape and owned it in the form of a toy, the simpler and therefore more likely explaination is that if it was used as the inspiration for a crop circle it was because it's a common toy we've all seen, not because of it's mystical properties.

Vandalizing farm land is a signal? See that's the problem, in order to believe these are alien signals you have to believe that a super advanced species that can fly all over the galaxy and violate our airspace without setting off any security devices then gets here and acts like common hoodlums tagging farm fields.

You're right. I have no idea what secret geometry is, I've tried to read up on it and laugh my ass of everytime. Anything I've ever tried to read on sacred geometry reads like a Monty Python sketch. It is hands down the silliest idea I've ever heard.
161 posted on 07/26/2002 7:01:09 PM PDT by discostu
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To: FormerLurker
Another interesting formation...

Yes. That's a perfect diagram of an anal probe, and now perhaps I understand your obsession with the aliens.

162 posted on 07/26/2002 7:06:03 PM PDT by PatrickHenry
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To: discostu
The pool has just begun. Since it's a bet you should be drawing people in too. It would really suck to get the bet way up there and then you loose. ;)

Yeah, but I can't decide which way to go. I could try to pull people in to bet that I can do it, and try to hedge my losses that way. Or, I could try to draw in a bunch of suckers people to bet against me, and thereby run up the pool to try and increase my winnings.

Decisions, decisions... ;)

163 posted on 07/26/2002 7:22:38 PM PDT by general_re
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To: Howlin; Miss Marple; Amelia
I think someone is lost and rambling around looking for the Chicago office.......
164 posted on 07/26/2002 7:24:08 PM PDT by deport
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To: deport
LOLOL!!! Good one!
165 posted on 07/26/2002 7:24:53 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: general_re
All depends on how confident you are, of course on the other side you have to remember the rule on sucker bets. As Harry Anderson put it "if somebody comes up to you on the street and bets you that the queen of diamonds will jump out of this deck of cards and spit cider in your ear, and you take that bet, don't be surprised if you get a wet ear."

And remember I'm hoping to lose my $5. The entertainment value is worth $5 easy.
166 posted on 07/26/2002 7:28:05 PM PDT by discostu
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To: discostu; general_re
As Harry Anderson put it "if somebody comes up to you on the street and bets you that the queen of diamonds will jump out of this deck of cards and spit cider in your ear, and you take that bet, don't be surprised if you get a wet ear."

That would actually be the character "Sky Masterson" quoting his father in "The Idyll of Miss Sarah Brown," a short story in Damon Runyon's collection entitled "Guys & Dolls" published in 1932, which was the basis of the musical comedy of the same name 20+ years later. Marlon Brando played "Masterson" in the film version, which co-starred Frank Sinatra as the hapless floating crap game promoter "Nathan Detroit."

167 posted on 07/26/2002 7:57:39 PM PDT by longshadow
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To: Orual
Well, Now: Since the "Signs" of Alien Contact--& the "Reaction" of the "Movie-Types" to said "Alien Contact" is SO "Dramatic,"--We Must assume that "Alien Contact" Has Occurred!

So Be It!!!

Doc

168 posted on 07/26/2002 7:58:03 PM PDT by Doc On The Bay
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To: discostu; dennisw; Momaw Nadon; galt-jw; Physicist
Okham's Razor. Since the vast majority of people in the western world have seen that shape and owned it in the form of a toy, the simpler and therefore more likely explaination is that if it was used as the inspiration for a crop circle it was because it's a common toy we've all seen, not because of it's mystical properties.

Occam's Razor states:

"Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem", or "Entities should not be multiplied unnecessarily."

Since the Tetractys has been around MUCH longer than the child's toy you mention (which I've never seen and would surmise that MOST people have never seen as well), I'd say Occam's Razor suggest that it is a Tetractys and not a relatively obscure toy that forms the basis of the formation in question.

See that's the problem, in order to believe these are alien signals you have to believe that a super advanced species that can fly all over the galaxy and violate our airspace without setting off any security devices then gets here and acts like common hoodlums tagging farm fields.

They DO get attention though don't they. And who knows exactly WHERE they come from...

You might want to take a peek at a video I've linked below..

Crop Circle Forming

You're right. I have no idea what secret geometry is, I've tried to read up on it and laugh my ass of everytime. Anything I've ever tried to read on sacred geometry reads like a Monty Python sketch. It is hands down the silliest idea I've ever heard.

Sacred geometry is that which nature has demonstrated in the construction of the Universe. The Egyptians used such natural geometry and the Pythagorians held numbers to be sacred. If you had ever studied the history of mathmatics, you would have a better understanding of the term.

One definition of sacred geometry is as follows:

"All things throughout our universe seem to follow the same fundamental blueprint or geometric patterns. These geometrical archetypes, reveal to us the nature of each form and its vibrational resonances. They are also symbolic of the underlying metaphysical principle of the inseparable relationship of the part to the whole. It is this principle of oneness underlying all geometry that permeates the architecture of all form in its myriad diversity. This principle of interconnectedness, inseparability and union provides us with a continuous reminder of our relationship to the whole--a blueprint for the mind to the sacred foundation of all things created. We call this blueprint 'Sacred Geometry'."

Another description begins with:

"Sacred geometry is NOT a branch of mathematics. If anything, it's the other way around. All through the ages, and all over the planet, people have understood that the manifested universe that we experience was created out of the Great Void by Pure Spirit moving in certain simple geometric patterns. For thousands of years, this knowledge has been passed among initiates in secret societies. As we approach the Consciousness Shift, this knowledge is being revealed openly.... All through the ages, all over the planet, Sacred Geometry has been taught as a special understanding about the process of Creation. "

One very good example of "Sacred Geometry" is the The Golden Mean..


Golden Section The Golden Mean Golden Section

The Golden Mean is a ratio that is present in the growth patterns of many things--the spiral formed by a shell or the curve of a fern, for example. The Golden Mean or Golden Section was derived by the ancient Greeks. Like "pi", the number 1.618... is an irrational number. Both the ancient Greeks and the ancient Egyptians used the Golden Mean when designing their buildings and monuments. The builders of Paestum used the Golden Mean in their temples. Artists as diverse as Leonardo da Vinci and George Seurat used the ratio when constructing their paintings. These artists and architects discovered that by utilizing the ratio 1 : 1.618..., they could create a feeling of order in their works. Even today, artists are still using this proportion in their works, and scientists, like Roger Penrose are discovering new things about the Golden Mean and its place in science, mathematics, and nature.

I have been fascinated by the Golden Mean for many years. I have written some pages about the mathematics and geometry of the Golden Mean.

There are many good books and WWW sites written for the layman and others, which have chapters which discuss the Golden Mean. Here is a short bibliography:

Let's go to the math

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A more technical look at the Golden Ratio from The Golden section ratio: Phi..

The Golden section ratio: Phi

Contents of this Page

The line means there is a Things to do investigation at the end of the section.
(o) What is the Golden Ratio (or Phi)?
  (:) A simple definition of Phi
A bit of history...
  Links on Euclid and his "Elements"
Phi and the Egyptian Pyramids?
Other names for Phi
(o) Phi to 2000 decimal places
(o) Phi and the Fibonacci numbers
  The Ratio of neighbouring Fibonacci Numbers tends to Phi
Another definition of Phi
A formula for Phi using a continued fraction
(o) Phi is not a fraction
(o) Rational Approximations to Phi
(:) Why do the Fibonacci numbers occur in the convergents?
(o) Other ways to find Phi using your calculator
(:) Calculator Method 1: Invert and Add 1
(:) Calculator method 2: Add 1 and take the square-root
(o) Similar numbers

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What is the golden section (or Phi)?

We will call the Golden Ratio (or Golden number) after a greek letter,Phi () here, although some writers and mathematicians use another Greek letter, tau (). Also, we shall use phi (note the lower case p) for a closely related value.

A simple definition of Phi

There are just two numbers that remain the same when they are squared namely 0 and 1. Other numbers get bigger and some get smaller when we square them:
Squares that are bigger Squares that are smaller
22 is 4 1/2=0·5 and 0·52 is 0·25=1/4
32 is 9 1/5=0·2 and 0·22 is 0·04=1/25
102 is 100 1/10=0·1 and 0·12 is 0·01=1/100
One definition of Phi (the golden section number) is that
to square it you just add 1
or, in mathematics:
Phi2 = Phi + 1
In fact, there are two numbers with this property, one is Phi and another is closely related to it when we write out some of its decimal places.
Here is a mathematical derivation (or proof) of the two values. You can skip over this to the answers at the foot of this paragraph if you like.

Multiplying both sides by Phi gives a quadratic equation:

Phi2 = Phi + 1 or
Phi2 – Phi – 1 = 0

We can solve this quadratic equation to find two possible values for Phi as follows:

Use your calculator to see that the values of these two numbers are 1·6180339887... and –0·6180339887...

Did you notice that their decimal parts are identical?
We will name the first value Phi and the second – phi using the first letter to tell us if we want the bigger value (Phi) 1·618... or the smaller one (phi) 0·618... .

Note that Phi is just 1+phi. As a little practice at algebra, use the expressions above to show that phi times Phi is exactly 1. Here is a summary of what we have found already that we will find very useful in what follows:
Phi phi = 1, Phi - phi = 1, Phi + phi = sqrt5
Phi = 1.6180339.. phi = 0.6180339..
Phi = 1 + phi phi = Phi – 1
Phi = 1/phi phi = 1/Phi
Phi2 = Phi + 1 (-phi)2 = -phi + 1 or phi2 = 1 – phi
Phi = (sqrt5 + 1)/2 phi = (sqrt5 – 1)/2

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A bit of history...

Euclid, the Greek mathematician of about 300BC, wrote the Elements which is a collection of 13 books on Geometry (written in Greek originally). It was the most important mathematical work until this century, when Geometry began to take a lower place on school syllabuses, but it has had a major influence on mathematics.

It starts from basic definitions called axioms or "postulates" (self-evident starting points). An example is the fifth axiom that

there is only one line parallel to another line through a given point.
From these Euclid develops more results (called propositions) about geometry which he proves based purely on the axioms and previously proved propositions using logic alone. The propositions involve constructing geometric figures using a straight edge and compasses only so that we can only draw straight lines and circles.
    For instance, Book 1, Proposition 10 to find the exact centre of any line AB
  1. Put your compass point on one end of the line at point A.
  2. Open the compasses to the other end of the line, B, and draw the circle.
  3. Draw another circle in the same way with centre at the other end of the line.
  4. This gives two points where the two red circles cross and, if we join these points, we have a (green) straight line at 90 degrees to the original line which goes through its exact centre.

In Book 6, Proposition 30, Euclid shows how to divide a line in mean and extreme ratio which we would call "finding the golden section G point on the line".


                <-------- 1 --------->
                A            G       B
                       g        1–g               
     
Euclid used this phrase to mean the ratio of the smaller part of this line, GB to the larger part AG (ie the ratio GB/AG) is the SAME as the ratio of the larger part, AG, to the whole line AB (ie is the same as the ratio AG/AB). If we let the line AB have unit length and AG have length g (so that GB is then just 1–g) then the definition means that

     GB = AG  or 1–g = g  so that 1–g=g2
     AG   AB      g    1
     
Notice that earlier we defined Phi2 as Phi+1 and here we have g2 = 1–g or g2+g=1.
We can solve this in the same way as for Phi and we find that
g =  –1 +sqrt5   or g =  –1 – sqrt5

2

2

So there are two numbers which when added to their squares give 1. For our geometrical problem, g is a positive number so the first value is the one we want. This is our friend phi also equal to Phi–1 (and the other value is merely –Phi).

It seems that this ratio had been of interest to earlier Greek mathematicians, especially Pythagoras (580BC - 500BC) and his "school".

    Things to do
  1. Suppose we labelled the parts of our line as follows:
    
                     A            G       B
                           x          1                
        
    so that AB is now has length 1+x. If Euclid's "division of AB into mean and extreme ratio" still applies to point G, what quadratic equation do you now get for x? What is the value of x?

Links on Euclid and his "Elements"

WWW: From Clarke University comes D Joyce's exciting project making Euclid's Elements interactive using Java applets.

Phi and the Egyptian Pyramids?

The Rhind Papyrus of about 1650 BC is one of the oldest mathematical works in existence, giving methods and problems used by the ancient Babylonians and Egyptians. It includes the solution to some problems about pyramids but it does not mention anything about the golden ratio Phi.

The ratio of the length of a face of the Great Pyramid (from centre of the bottom of a face to the apex of the pyramid) to the distance from the same point to the exact centre of the pyramid's base square is about 1·6. It is a matter of debate whether this was "intended" to be the golden section number or not.
According to Elmer Robinson (see the reference below), using the average of eight sets of data, says that "the theory that the perimeter of the pyramid divided by twice its vertical height is the value of pi" fits the data much better than the theory above about Phi.
The following references will explain circumstantial evidence for and against:

WWW: The golden section in The Kings Tomb in Egy pt.
Article: How to Find the "Golden Number" without really trying Roger Fischler, Fibonacci Quarterly, 1981, Vol 19, pp 406 - 410
Case studies include the Great Pyramid of Cheops and the various theories propounded to explain its dimensions, the golden section in architecture, its use by Le Corbusier and Seurat and in the visual arts. He concludes that several of the works that purport to show Phi was used are, in fact, fallacious and "without any foundation whatever".
Article: The Fibonacci Drawing Board Design of the Great Pyramid of Gizeh Col. R S Beard in Fibonacci Quarterly vol 6, 1968, pages 85 - 87;
has three separate theories (only one of which involves the golden section) which agree quite well with the dimensions as measured in 1880.
Article: A Note on the Geometry of the Great Pyramid Elmer D Robinson in The Fibonacci Quarterly vol 20 (1982) page 343
shows that the theory involving pi fits much better than the one regarding Phi.
Article: George Markowsky's Misconceptions about the Golden ratio in The College Mathematics Journal Vol 23, January 1992, pages 2-19.
This is readable and well presented. You may or may not agree with all that Markowsky says, but this is a very good article that tries to debunk a simplistic and unscientific "cult" status being attached to Phi, seeing it where it really is not! He has some convincing arguments that Phi does not occur in the measurements of the Egyptian pyramids.

Other names for Phi

Euclid (about 300BC) in his "Elements" calls dividing a line at the 0.6180399.. point dividing a line in the extreme and mean ratio. This later gave rise to the name golden mean.

There are no extant records of the Greek architects' plans for their most famous temples and buildings (such as the Parthenon). So we do not know if they deliberately used the golden section in their architectural plans. The American mathematician Mark Barr used the Greek letter phi (phi) to represent the golden ratio, using the initial letter of the Greek Phidias who used the golden ratio in his sculptures.

Luca Pacioli (also written as Paccioli) wrote a book called De Divina Proportione (The Divine Proportion) in 1509. It contains drawings made by Leonardo da Vinci of the 5 Platonic solids. It was probably Leonardo (da Vinci) who first called it the sectio aurea (Latin for the golden section).

Today, mathematicians also use the Greek letter tau (t), the initial letter of tome which is the Greek work for "cut" as well as phi.

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Phi to 2000 decimal places

Phi has the value  sqrt5 + 1   and phi is  sqrt5 – 1  .

2

2

Both have identical fractional parts after the decimal point. Both are also irrational which means that Later on this page we will show why Phi and phi cannot be written as exact fractions. There is another surprise in store later when we find which fractions are the best approximations to Phi.

Here is the decimal value of Phi to 2000 places grouped in blocks of 5 decimal digits. The value of phi is the same but begins with 0·6.. instead of 1·6.. .
Read this as ordinary text, in lines across, so Phi is 1·61803398874...)

 
                                                              Dps:    
1·61803 39887 49894 84820 45868 34365 63811 77203 09179 80576   50
  28621 35448 62270 52604 62818 90244 97072 07204 18939 11374  100
  84754 08807 53868 91752 12663 38622 23536 93179 31800 60766
  72635 44333 89086 59593 95829 05638 32266 13199 28290 26788  200
  06752 08766 89250 17116 96207 03222 10432 16269 54862 62963
  13614 43814 97587 01220 34080 58879 54454 74924 61856 95364  300
  86444 92410 44320 77134 49470 49565 84678 85098 74339 44221
  25448 77066 47809 15884 60749 98871 24007 65217 05751 79788  400
  34166 25624 94075 89069 70400 02812 10427 62177 11177 78053
  15317 14101 17046 66599 14669 79873 17613 56006 70874 80710  500
  
  13179 52368 94275 21948 43530 56783 00228 78569 97829 77834
  78458 78228 91109 76250 03026 96156 17002 50464 33824 37764
  86102 83831 26833 03724 29267 52631 16533 92473 16711 12115
  88186 38513 31620 38400 52221 65791 28667 52946 54906 81131
  71599 34323 59734 94985 09040 94762 13222 98101 72610 70596
  11645 62990 98162 90555 20852 47903 52406 02017 27997 47175
  34277 75927 78625 61943 20827 50513 12181 56285 51222 48093
  94712 34145 17022 37358 05772 78616 00868 83829 52304 59264
  78780 17889 92199 02707 76903 89532 19681 98615 14378 03149
  97411 06926 08867 42962 26757 56052 31727 77520 35361 39362 1000
  
  10767 38937 64556 06060 59216 58946 67595 51900 40055 59089
  50229 53094 23124 82355 21221 24154 44006 47034 05657 34797
  66397 23949 49946 58457 88730 39623 09037 50339 93856 21024
  23690 25138 68041 45779 95698 12244 57471 78034 17312 64532
  20416 39723 21340 44449 48730 23154 17676 89375 21030 68737
  88034 41700 93954 40962 79558 98678 72320 95124 26893 55730
  97045 09595 68440 17555 19881 92180 20640 52905 51893 49475
  92600 73485 22821 01088 19464 45442 22318 89131 92946 89622
  00230 14437 70269 92300 78030 85261 18075 45192 88770 50210
  96842 49362 71359 25187 60777 88466 58361 50238 91349 33331
  
  22310 53392 32136 24319 26372 89106 70503 39928 22652 63556
  20902 97986 42472 75977 25655 08615 48754 35748 26471 81414
  51270 00602 38901 62077 73224 49943 53088 99909 50168 03281
  12194 32048 19643 87675 86331 47985 71911 39781 53978 07476
  15077 22117 50826 94586 39320 45652 09896 98555 67814 10696
  83728 84058 74610 33781 05444 39094 36835 83581 38113 11689
  93855 57697 54841 49144 53415 09129 54070 05019 47754 86163
  07542 26417 29394 68036 73198 05861 83391 83285 99130 39607
  20144 55950 44977 92120 76124 78564 59161 60837 05949 87860
  06970 18940 98864 00764 43617 09334 17270 91914 33650 13715 2000


Phi to 10,000,000 places!

Simon Plouffe of Simon Fraser University notes that Greg J Fee programmed a method of his to compute the golden ratio (Phi) to ten million places in December 1996. He used Maple and it took about 30 minutes on a 194MHz computer. Have a look at the first part with 15,000 decimal places. The rest are organised in several files which you can investigate using this index.
Phi's value in binary to 500 places is:
 
1·10011 11000 11011 10111 10011 01110 01011 11111 01001 01001
  11110 00001 01011 11100 11100 11100 11000 00001 10000 00101 100
  11001 11011 01110 01000 00110 10000 01000 01000 00100 01001
  11011 01011 11110 01110 10001 00111 00100 10100 01111 11000 200
  01101 10001 10101 00001 00011 10100 00110 00001 10001 11010
  01010 10010 01110 11001 11111 10000 10110 00101 01001 11101 300
  00100 11110 11011 11111 00000 01101 00011 10000 01000 10110
  11010 11011 11110 00110 00001 00111 11110 00000 01100 01000 400
  01101 11100 00100 10010 10000 10000 00001 10000 00000 01011
  00000 11101 01100 10010 11101 00100 00001 11100 11001 10101 500
Neither the decimal form of Phi, nor the binary one nor any other base have any ultimate repeating pattern in their digits.

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Phi and the Fibonacci numbers

On the Fibonacci and Nature page we saw a graph which showed that the ratio of successive Fibonacci numbers gets closer and closer to Phi.

Here is the connection the other way round, where we can discover the Fibonacci numbers arising from the number Phi.

The graph on the right shows a line whose gradient is Phi, that is the line

y = Phi x = 1·6180339.. x

Since Phi is not the ratio of any two integers, the graph will never go through any points of the form (i,j) where i and j are whole numbers - apart from one trivial exception - can you spot it?
So we can ask
What are the nearest integer-coordinate points to the Phi line?
Let's start at the origin and work up the line.
The first is (0,0) of course, so here ARE two integers i=0 and j=0 making the point (i,j) exactly on the line! In fact ANY line y=kx will go through the origin, so that is why we will ignore this point as a "trivial exception" (as mathematicians like to put it).
The next point close to the line looks like (0,1) although (1,2) is nearer still. The next nearest seems even closer: (2,3) and (3,5) even closer again. So far our sequence of "integer coordinate points close to the Phi line" is as follows: (0,1), (1,2), (2,3), (3,5)
What is the next closest point? and the next? Surprised? The coordinates are successive Fibonacci numbers!

Let's call these the Fibonacci points. Notice that the ratio y/x for each Fibonacci point (x,y) gets closer and closer to Phi=1·618... but the interesting point that we see on this graph is that

the Fibonacci points are the closest points to the Phi line.

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The Ratio of neighbouring Fibonacci Numbers tends to Phi

On the Fibonacci Numbers and Nature page we saw that the ratio of two neighbouring Fibonacci numbers soon settled down to a particular value near 1·6:
fibratio.gif
In fact, the exact value is Phi and, the larger the two Fibonacci numbers, the closer their ratio is to Phi. Why? Here we show how this happens.

The basic Fibonacci relationship is

F(i+2) = F(i+1) + F(i)       The Fibonacci relationship

The graph shows that the ratio F(i+1)/F(i) seems to get closer and closer to a particular value, which for now we will call X.
If we take three neighbouring Fibonacci numbers, F(i), F(i+1) and F(i+2) then, for very large values of i, the ratio of F(i) and F(i+1) will be almost the same as F(i+1) and F(i+2), so let's see what happens if both of these are the same value: X.

F(i+1)  = F(i+2)  = X

F(i)

F(i+1)
But, using the The Fibonacci relationship we can replace F(i+2) by F(i+1)+F(i) and then simplify the resulting fraction a bit, as follows:
F(i+2)

F(i+1)
 =
F(i+1) + F(i)

F(i+1)
 =
F(i+1)  + F(i)

F(i+1)

F(i+1)
 =
1 + F(i)

F(i+1)
So, putting in this new format of F(i+2)/F(i+1) back into the equation for X, we have:
X = F(i+1)  = 1 + F(i)

F(i)

F(i+1)
But the last fraction is just 1 + 1/X, so now we have an equation purely in terms of X:
X = F(i+1)  = 1 + F(i)  = 1 + 1

F(i)

F(i+1)

X
Multiplying both sides by X gives:
X = 1 + 1

X
X2 = X + 1
But we have seen this equation before in A simple definition of Phi so know that X is, indeed, exactly Phi!

Remember, this supposed that the ratio of two pairs of neighbours in the Fibonacci series was the same value. This only happens "in the limit" as mathematicians say. So what happens is that, as the series progresses, the ratios get closer and closer to this limiting value, or, in other words, the ratios get closer and closer to Phi the further down the series that we go.

Did you notice that we have not used the two starting values in this proof? No matter what two values we start with, if we apply the the Fibonacci relationship to continue the series, the ratio of two terms will (in the limit) always be Phi!

But there are two values that satisfy X2 = X + 1 aren't there?

Yes, there are. The other value, –phi which is –0·618... is revealed if we extend the Fibonacci series backwards. We still maintain the same Fibonacci relationship but we can find numbers before 0 and still keep this relationship:
i ... –10 –9 –8 –7 –6 –5 –4 –3 –2 –1 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 ...
Fib(i) ... –55 34 –21 13 –8 5 –3 2 –1 1 0 1 1 2 3 5 8 13 21 34 55 ...
When we use this complete Fibonacci series and plot the ratios F(i)/F(i–1) we see that the ratios on the left-hand side of 0 are
1  = –1, –1  = –0.5, 2  = –0.666.., –3  = –0.6, 5  = –0.625, ...

–1

2

–3

5

–8
Plotting these shows both solutions to X2 = X + 1:-
fibPlot

Another definition of Phi

We defined Phi to be (one of the two values given by)
Phi2 = Phi+1

Suppose we divide both sides of this equation by Phi:
Phi = 1 + 1/Phi

Here is another definition of Phi - that number which is 1 more than its reciprocal
(the reciprocal of a number is 1 over it so that, for example, the reciprocal of 2 is 1/2 and the reciprocal of 9 is 1/9).

A formula for Phi using a continued fraction

Look again at the last equation:
Phi = 1 + 1/Phi
This means that wherever we see "Phi" we can substitute (1 + 1/Phi).
But we see Phi on the right hand side, so lets substitute it in there!
Phi = 1 + 1/(1 + 1/Phi)
In fact, we can do this again and again and get:

    Phi = 1 +       1         = 1 + 1/( 1 + 1/( 1 + 1/( 1 +.. ))) 
               1 +     1    
                   1 +   1  
                       1 + ..
   
This unusual expression is called a continued fraction since we continue to form fractions underneath fractions underneath fractions.

This continued fraction has a big surprise in store for us....

Phi is not a fraction

But Phi is a fraction .. it is (sqrt5 + 1)/2.
Here, by a fraction we mean a number fraction such as 2/3 or –17/24 or 12/7 or 8/12. The first two here are proper fractions since they are less than 1; the third can also be written as 15/7, which has a whole part (1) and a fraction part (5/7) so it is a mixed number; the fourth is not in its lowest terms since it is the same as 2/3 which is in its lowest terms since there is no simpler representation of this quantity. Also 5.61 is a fraction, a decimal fraction since it is 561/100, the ratio of a whole number and a power of ten.
Strictly, all whole numbers can be written as fractions if we make the denominator (the part below the line) equal to 1! However, we commonly use the word fraction when there really is a fraction in the value.

Mathematicians call all these fractional (and whole) numbers rational numbers because they are the ratio of two whole numbers and it is these number fractions that we will mean by fraction in this section.

It may seem as if all number can be written as fractions - but this is, in fact, false. There are numbers which are not the ratio of any two whole numbers, eg sqrt2=1.41421356... , =3.14159..., e=2.71828... . Such values are called ir-ratio-nal since they cannot be represented as a ratio of two whole numbers (ie a fraction). A simple consequence of this is that their decimal fraction expansions go on for ever and never repeat at any stage!

Can we write Phi as a fraction?
The answer is "No!" and there is a surprisingly simple proof of this. Here it is. [This proof was given in the Fibonacci Quarterly, volume 13, 1975, page 32, in A simple Proof that Phi is Irrational by J Shallit and later corrected by D Ross - see below.]

Suppose we could write Phi as A/B where A and B are two integers. If this was possible then we can choose the simplest form for Phi and write Phi=p/q (p and q are integers again) but now p and q will have no factors in common. What we now show is that this leads to a logical contradiction. The only assumption we have made is that Phi can be written as a fraction and, since this will lead to a logical impossibility, then this assumption must be wrong - i.e. Phi cannot be written as a fraction.

The definition of Phi (and also of –phi) is that it satisfies the equation


             Phi2 – Phi = 1   (*)
So, if we are assuming that Phi can be written as p/q, we substitute this in:

             (p/q)2 – p/q = 1 
Since q is not zero, we can multiply through by q2 to get:

             p2 – pq = q2   (**)
but we can factorise the left hand side, so
 
             p(p – q) = q2
Since the left hand side has a factor of p then so must the right hand side. In other words p is a factor of q2.
Since we said that p and q had no factor in common - except 1 which is a factor common to all numbers - then p must be 1.

Note there is an error in the paper quoted above, which is corrected in the next paragraph and in A Letter to the Editor from David Ross in Fibonacci Quarterly vol 13 (1975) page 198.

Also, by re-arranging the equation marked (**) above, we have:

 
             p2 =  q2 + pq
                =  q(q + p)
so q, being a factor of the right-hand side must also be a factor of the left-hand side, which is p2. But again, since p and q have no common factor except 1 then q also must be 1 too!

Here is the contradiction if both p and 1 are 1, then p/q is 1 and this does not satisfy our original equation for Phi, the one marked (*).
So we have a logical impossibility if we assume Phi can be written as a proper fraction.
The only possibility that logical allows therefore is that Phi cannot be written as a proper fraction - Phi is irrational.

Rational Approximations to Phi

If no fraction can be the exact value of Phi, what fractions are good approximations to Phi?

The answer lies in the continued fraction for Phi that we saw earlier on this page.
If we stop the continued fraction for Phi at various points, we get values which approximate to Phi:

Phi = 1  
 
 
 
Phi = 1 + 1
1
  = 2  
 
Phi = 1 + 1
1 + 1
1
  = 3
2
Phi = 1 + 1
1 + 1
1 + 1
1
  = 5
3

The next approximation is always 1 plus 1-over-the-previous-approximation (shown in green).
Did you notice that this series of fractions is just the ratios of successive Fibonacci numbers - surprise!

The proper mathematical term for these fractions which are formed from stopping a continued fraction for Phi at various points is the convergents to Phi. The series of convergents is

1 ,   2 ,   3 ,   5 ,   8 ,   13 ,   21 ,   ...
1 1 2 3 5 8 13

Why do Fibonacci numbers occur in the convergents?

This is an optional section where we show exactly why the Fibonacci numbers appear in the successive approximations (the convergents) above. Skip to the next section if you like!

The convergents start with 1/1 which is F(1)/F(0)
where F(n) represents the n-th Fibonacci number.

To get from one fraction to the next, we saw that we just take the reciprocal of the fraction and add 1:
so the next one after F(1)/F(0) is


     1 +      1     =  1 +   F(0) = F(1)+F(0)
          F(1)/F(0)          F(1)     F(1)
   

But the Fibonacci numbers have the property that two successive numbers add to give the next, so F(1)+F(0)=F(2) and our next fraction can be written as


     1 +      1      =  1 +  F(0) =   F(1)+F(0) =  F(2)
          F(1)/F(0)          F(1)        F(1)      F(1)
   

So starting with the ratio of the first two Fibonacci numbers the next convergent to Phi is the ratio of the next two Fibonacci numbers.

This always happens:
if we have F(n)/F(n–1) as a convergent to Phi, then the next convergent is F(n+1)/F(n).

We will get all the ratios of successive Fibonacci numbers as values which get closer and closer to Phi.

You can find out more about continued fractions and how they relate to splitting a rectangle into squares and also to Euclid's algorithm on the Introduction to Continued Fractions page at this site.

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Other ways to find Phi using your calculator

Here are two more interesting ways to find it.

Calculator Method 1: Invert and Add 1

Keep repeating these two operations (take the reciprocal, add 1) and you will find that soon the display does not alter and settles down ("converging" as mathematicians call it) to a particular value, namely 1.61803... .

In fact, you can start with many values but not all (for instance 0 or -1 will cause problems) and it will still converge to the same value: Phi.

Why?

The formula Phi=1+1/Phi shows us where the two instructions come from.
To start, we note that the simplest approximation to the continued fraction above is just 1.
    Things to do
  1. In Calculator method 1, 0 causes a problem because we cannot take its reciprocal.
    So if x is -1, when we take its reciprocal (1/-1 = -1 ) and add 1 we get 0. So 0 and -1 are bad choices since they don't lead to Phi.
    What value of x will give -1? And what value of x would give that value?
    Can you find a whole series of numbers which, in fact, do not lead to Phi with Calculator method 1?
    [Thanks to Warren Criswell for this problem.]

Calculator Method 2: Add 1 and take the square-root

Here is another way to get Phi on your calculator. Keep repeating these two instructions and you will find it too converges to Phi.

Why?

This time we have used the other definition of Phi, namely

      Phi2 = Phi + 1 
      
or, taking the square root of both sides:

       Phi=sqrt(Phi+1)
       
Can you see why we must start with a number which is not smaller (i.e. is not more negative) than –1?

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Similar numbers

Robert Kerr Baxter wrote to me about other numbers that have the Phi property that when you square them their decimal parts remain the same:
Phi = 1.618033.. and Phi2 is 2.618033..
Phi has the value  sqrt5 + 1

2
Rob had noticed that this happens if we replace the sqrt5 with sqrt13 or sqrt17 or sqrt21 and so on. The series of number here is 5, (9), 13, 17, 21, (25), 29, ... which are the numbers that are 1 more than the multiples of 4. The numbers 9 and 25 are in brackets because they are perfect squares, so taking their square roots gives a whole number - in fact, an odd number - so when we add 1 and divide the result by two we just get a whole number with .00000... as the decimal part.

Why does this happen?


Algebra can come to our help here and it is a nice application of "Solving Quadratics" that we have already seen in the first section on this page.

We want to find a formula for the numbers (x, say) "that have the same decimal part as their squares". So, if we subtract x from x2, the result will be a whole number because the decimal parts were identical. Let's call this difference N, remembering that it is a whole number.
So

the difference between x2 and x is N, a whole number
is a description of these numbers in words. We can write this in the language of mathematics as follows:
x2 – x = N spacer or, adding x to both sides: spacer x2 = N + x
and we can "solve" it in exactly the same way as we did for Phi's quadratic: x2 = 1 + x. The formula for x this time is
x = 1 ± sqrt(1 + 4N)

2
You can see that, under the square-root sign, we have 1 plus a multiple of 4 which gives the series:
N: 1 2 3 4 5 ...
1+4N: 5 9 13 17 21 ...
just as Rob had found.

For example: if we choose N=5, then the number x (that increases by exactly 5 when squared) is

x = 1 ± sqrt(1 + 45)  = 1 ± sqrt21  = 2.791287847.. and x2 = 7.791287847... = 5 + x

2

2
Checking we see that the square of this x is exactly N ( i.e. 5) more than the original number x.

Another example: take Phi, which is (1 + sqrt5)/2 or (1 + sqrt(1+41))/2 so that N=1. Thus we can "predict" that Phi squared will be (N=)1 more than Phi itself and, indeed, Phi=1.618033.. and Phi2=2.618033.. .
We can do the same for other whole number values for N.

More generally: There is nothing in the maths of this section that prevents N from being any number, for instance 0·5 or . Suppose N is pi (=3.1415926535... ). We can find the number x that, when squared, increases by exactly ! It is

x = 1 ± sqrt(1 + 4)  = 1 ± sqrt12.566370614...  = 2·3416277185...

2

2
and x2 = 5·483220372... = 2·3416277185... + 3.1415926535...
    Things to do
  1. Make a table of the first few numbers similar to Phi in this way, starting with Phi and its square.
  2. We have only used the + sign in the formula for x above, giving positive values of x.
    What negative values of x are there, that is negative numbers which, when squared (becoming positive) have exactly the same decimal fraction part?
  3. What is the number that can be squared by just adding 0·5?
  4. Is there an upper limit to the size of N?
    Can you use the formula to find two numbers that increase by one million (1,000,000) when squared?
  5. Can N be negative?
  6. For instance, can we use the formula to find a number (as we have seen, there are two of them) that is 0·5 smaller when it is squared?
  7. What about a number that decreases by 1 when it is squared?
  8. Is there a lower limit for the value of N?

We look at some other numbers similar to Phi but in a different way on the (optional) Continued Fractions page. This time we find numbers which are like the Golden Mean, Phi, in that their decimal fraction parts are the same when we take their reciprocals, ie find 1/x. They are called the Silver Means.

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169 posted on 07/26/2002 7:58:32 PM PDT by FormerLurker
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To: PatrickHenry
Yes. That's a perfect diagram of an anal probe, and now perhaps I understand your obsession with the aliens.

I have no obsessions with aliens, but you and your pals DO in fact have an obsession with ANAL PROBES.

170 posted on 07/26/2002 8:01:00 PM PDT by FormerLurker
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To: Momaw Nadon
That "Design" is NOT a "Publicity Stunt!!"

"Something Strange & Important" is going on Here!!-------

Doc

171 posted on 07/26/2002 8:10:16 PM PDT by Doc On The Bay
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To: alisasny
>i>ITS CONCENTRIC CIRCLES not RINGS : ))

The are arcs, not circles. :))

172 posted on 07/26/2002 8:12:35 PM PDT by cinFLA
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To: Dengar01
I'll be looking forward to your pictures. (I think its a hoax too.) I believe in spirits but not crop circles.
173 posted on 07/26/2002 8:14:18 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: Ditter
I'll be looking forward to your pictures. (I think its a hoax too.) I believe in spirits but not crop circles.

I tried looking for it today however I ended up getting lost. Dielh road is very extensive so I couldn't find it. I will try and head out tomorrow after I find out exactly where it is and then I will post pictures on this thread and I will ping you.

174 posted on 07/26/2002 8:26:10 PM PDT by Dengar01
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To: FormerLurker
Many good posts by you!!! Last year's "season" I started a few nice crop circle threads. And there was a nice mega-thread.

ART BELL TONITE: The new super crop circle in the UK
http://www.FreeRepublic.com/forum/a3b8490c53fba.htm

Crop circle.....The ground details of Chilbolton "Face"
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b8fdfb73a1c.htm

Crop Circles
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b8321ea7a4c.htm

175 posted on 07/26/2002 8:29:31 PM PDT by dennisw
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To: FormerLurker
Signs
Reviewed by:
Scott Chitwood
Rating: 8 of 10
Movie Details: View here
Starring:

Mel Gibson as Father Graham Hess
Joaquin Phoenix as Merrill Hess
Rory Culkin as Morgan Hess
Abigail Breslin as Bo Hess
Cherry Jones as Officer Caroline Paski
M. Night Shyamalan as Ray
Patricia Kalember as Colleen Hess
Jose L. Rodriguez as Radio Host


Summary:

M. Night Shyamalan again proves he's the master of suspense with "Signs," but the ending may not satisfy all viewers.


What's It About:

Graham Hess is a widower who lives on a small Pennsylvania farm with his younger brother and two children. A former reverend, he has lost his faith and renounced religion after the tragic death of his wife. His life begins to take a twist into the surreal when a crop circle mysteriously appears in his cornfield. At first believing it was made by pranksters, he soon begins to wonder if there's more to it. Little does he realize that what he discovers about the circles may save his family.


Rated PG-13 for some frightening moments.


What Worked:

Shyamalan definitely keeps his title as the master of suspense with "Signs". He's able to take the simplest everyday things and scare the crap out of you with them. After seeing this film, you will never view a cornfield, baby monitor, or scratching noise in your house the same again.

If you've seen the commercials, you know that aliens play a key role in the film. Shyamalan is able to totally keep you on the edge of your seat by showing nothing more of them than shadows or claws. What also is amazing is that the aliens are, for the most part, seen in the full daylight. He doesn't always have the scary parts take place at night. Daytime isn't the safe haven that it usually is in a scary movie. This film also uses the theater sound system effectively by having sound effects of the aliens skittering over the house move all around the theater. It will totally freak you out. It's amazing how Shyamalan makes an effective alien invasion movie by hardly showing them at all. He knows that your imagination will create infinitely more terrifying images than he can ever come up with on the screen.

The performances in this film are first rate. Mel Gibson is fantastic as usual. Joaquin Phoenix provides much needed comic relief and humanity to this otherwise dark film. The two children are amazing and hold their own well against their more famous co-stars. Writer/Director/Producer M. Night Shyamalan even does a fine job in an acting role in this film.

This film takes some of the best elements of War of the Worlds and Close Encounters and repackages them for new audiences. It also combines several elements of UFO mythology into a cohesive tale. One of the most notable things about it is that it tells a very personal story. In the face of a global event, we concern ourselves only with what's happening in this particular family. We see everything from their point of view and from their isolated world. However, the true heart of this film's story is a man's restoration of faith in God and rebuilding bonds with his family. If you're looking for a good scare and an interesting twist on the whole alien invasion concept, this is one you'll want to check out.


What Didn't Work:

After "The Sixth Sense," everyone expects Shyamalan's movies to have some earth-shattering twist at the end. While "Unbreakable" had just such a twist, it wasn't as impressive as his first film's. With "Signs," there's no major revelation at the end as you might hope for. The ending really only shows a few plot points presented earlier in the film converging and it ties up a few loose ends at the end. There's nothing that you can't predict about the ending.

Despite lacking that hoped for twist, the movie is still a little confusing and it may not necessarily answer all of your questions. Most of my unanswered questions involved what was happening beyond the Hess' house. But since that wasn't the focus of the film, my questions were never sufficiently addressed. However, the more time I think about "Signs" after seeing it, the more I think the ending was OK. I guess I was expecting something more dramatic.

My final gripe is this - if aliens can travel all the way across the galaxy and they have technology far beyond ours, why are they easily foiled by a locked door? And when their motivation for being on earth is revealed, I again ask…..why? What was the purpose behind what they did? Maybe that's what Shyamalan intended.

Overall I think "Signs" is worth checking out. It's one of the more fun films this summer if you want to be creeped out.


176 posted on 07/26/2002 8:34:46 PM PDT by dennisw
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To: dennisw
Thanks
177 posted on 07/26/2002 8:41:23 PM PDT by carenot
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To: longshadow
That would actually be the character "Sky Masterson" quoting his father in "The Idyll of Miss Sarah Brown," a short story in Damon Runyon's collection entitled "Guys & Dolls" published in 1932, which was the basis of the musical comedy of the same name 20+ years later.

Good old Damon Runyon....

When you see a guy,
Making shapes in the rye,
You can bet
That he's doing it for some doll...

:^)

178 posted on 07/26/2002 8:43:04 PM PDT by general_re
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To: longshadow
That wouldn't surprise me. Harry's whole magic persona is stole from that genre (20s/ 30s hip, not musicals). He used it in his first Showtime special right at the end, after he says it the queen of diamonds jumps out of the giant deck he's holding and spit cider all over the camera. Good special, good magic, solic cons. We don't want to talk about how many decades ago I saw Guys and Dolls.

Thanks
179 posted on 07/26/2002 9:13:16 PM PDT by discostu
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To: FormerLurker
If you had ever studied the history of mathmatics [sic], you would have a better understanding of the term.

If you had ever studied Mathematics, you would know that "Sacred Geometry" is a nothing more than the product of mystical astonishment on the part of people whose understanding of Mathematics was nowhere near what it is today. Modern Mathematicians don't waste much of their time on "gee-whiz" stuff like "what's the value of Phi to a bazillion decimal places?"

If I am wrong about this, then there should be no shortage of non-introductory or non-remedial course offerings that are devoted to the study of "Sacred Geometry" in the Math Department course catalogs of virtually every top-50 University.

But I've never heard of any of them offering such a course...

OTOH, such things as "Phi," the "Golden ratio," etc., are widely covered in intro-level survey courses for non-technical majors and in History of Mathematics type courses, as curiosities from a bygone era of Mathematics.

Now, if space aliens are smart enough to do the Mathematics it would take to do the physics of designing spacecraft that can travel the galaxy, and if they were visiting Earth, would they be stomping messages about some mystical, naive "Sacred Geometry" in wheat fields, or would they be more likely to depict some more advanced Mathematical message that would clearly denote their technical sophistication?

And so I ask, why is it we haven't seen a crop circle depicting the Lagrange Points of an planetary system, for example? (Which, as an aside, would not be proof that space aliens made the crop circle; hoaxters can just as well calculate Langrange Points as well as putative space aliens.)

180 posted on 07/26/2002 9:13:16 PM PDT by longshadow
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