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I couldn't agree more with this piece. One has to live through this mess to comprehend the devastation that ensues thanks to our feminized court system and the legislators who continue to tear up the constitution when it comes to matters of child custody and child support.
1 posted on 07/06/2002 5:00:20 AM PDT by buccaneer81
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You know, the feminazi's scream about being able to do everything a man does, but then they turn around and demand child support and alimony. Isn't that, in principle, admitting they can't?

Ladies and gents, if ya can't support kids on your own, you probably should not have them ...eh? Maybe that is the view women and men should take into their marriages today given the divorce rate.

41 posted on 07/06/2002 6:55:12 AM PDT by Taxula
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There is another reason, reported recently, why men are not getting married. They can get all the sex they want without marriage. Women are getting hurt in this brave new world, too. I know of men who go from woman to woman, happy to have her services for a while, but when she wants a serious commitment, he is out the door. The problem is not so much a lack of marriage counseling as it is selfishness. No one goes into marriage anymore committed to the "for better or worse" or "til death do us part" vows. If it stops being good for them, they want out, regardless of what it does to other people and society at large.

I notice that nobody is giving up on "finding true love" just because that may not last, so abandoning marriage because of what might happen, is a poor excuse. Sure, a woman, or a man either, could walk out of the marriage later, but all kinds of things could happen. What if your spouse becomes seriously and chronically ill? Do you not marry because that might happen? Nobody is promised a perfect life. People need to grow up, and the laws must be structured to support marriage and family, not work against them.

Finally, the only thing that will really save marriage, is if men and women live in obedience to God. That requires a change of heart, not of circumstances.

44 posted on 07/06/2002 7:04:09 AM PDT by Pining_4_TX
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I completely agree.
53 posted on 07/06/2002 7:27:37 AM PDT by Marine Inspector
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Also, take into the account the propoganda that is filling women's heads on the talk shows. I have seen on there where a couple is breaking up and they talk to the host about how "our sex life just wasn't as good anymore", or "well, we just grew too comfortable with each other", or sometimes it will be that the wife things the husband has turned into a slob. You will also notice that these shows are hosted by women, made up largely of women, and the guests are mainly women (who get to do most of the talking while the man is just supposed to sit there and be blamed for everything). I'm not married yet, but I know that it is a partnership of give and take, it is not one continuous party, and married life isn't going to be like one continuous romance novel.
56 posted on 07/06/2002 7:30:31 AM PDT by Paul Atreides
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Bump
59 posted on 07/06/2002 7:33:25 AM PDT by A. Pole
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bttt
60 posted on 07/06/2002 7:35:21 AM PDT by bassmaner
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WARNING!

If you get a restraining order slapped on you, then obey it no matter how much she begs to see you. A friend of mine got set up this way and spent a year in jail for it. And, I won't go into what else it cost him.

64 posted on 07/06/2002 7:39:17 AM PDT by PaxMacian
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Major League Bump. I couldn't agree with this piece more. And I am one of the extremely lucky ones who has been happily married for 15 years with no significant marital strife. Yet I fully realize that if my wife was so inclined, she could, with one visit to the police station and one false report, destroy my life utterly and totally. I will lose access to my kids, lose my home, lose everything that I have been working for these past 20 years. On top of that, a significant portion of my future earnings will be diverted to her (even though she has her own career) and a claim will even be made on my 401(k) retirement plan. This is just plain wrong and even though my marriage has been good and I am very fortunate, knowing what I know now, if I had to do my life over again, I would never get married and never have kids. I have seen way too many of my friends and family members get screwed over by vindicative women who have all the laws and courts on their side.

There is also some poetic justice in seeing those unmarried women bitch about not being able to find a husband as those are usually the most likely women to latch on to a man eking out a decent living and pull such a scam. Fortunately men are finally wising up to them. I hope they stay freakin' miserable for the rest of their pathetic, unmarried lives.

65 posted on 07/06/2002 7:39:21 AM PDT by SamAdams76
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When women ceased being legal chattel, marriage lost its appeal to me.
69 posted on 07/06/2002 7:43:51 AM PDT by Age of Reason
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Katherine is attractive, successful, witty, and educated. She also can't find a husband. Why?

Because you left out obedient.

72 posted on 07/06/2002 7:45:55 AM PDT by Age of Reason
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As bad as all of this is, it would still make Dan one of the lucky ones. After all, he could be one of those fathers who cannot see his children at all because his ex has made a false accusation of domestic violence, child abuse, or child molestation. Or a father who can only see his own children under supervised visitation or in nightmarish visitation centers where dads are treated like criminals.

Oh, and you lose your right to own guns as an added bonus.

73 posted on 07/06/2002 7:46:56 AM PDT by MileHi
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"They refuse to commit, refuse to settle down, and refuse to "grow up.""

And, the same goes for the "women." If I were a guy, I wouldn't commit to these bozos either.

84 posted on 07/06/2002 7:57:44 AM PDT by Don Myers
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I agree and hope men will pull it together enough to dismantle a lot of this legal crapola.

The feminist movement destroyed the family. Women were convinced that marriage was dumb and they should give it away for free in order to be "free" and men got used to getting it for free. However, when they let go of the responsibility that comes with marriage and children they lost many legal rights. That fathers were so successfully disassociated from their children in the womb and could not assert their right to stop an abortion was a major victory for those who would destroy the family.

85 posted on 07/06/2002 7:58:35 AM PDT by ethical
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This was inevitable. Liberal courts and confiscatory child support laws have virtually destroyed the American family. The socialist plan is coming together nicely. Let's see if biological and social pressure can crush it.
96 posted on 07/06/2002 8:03:52 AM PDT by IronJack
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Many here blame poor people for having child after child even though the parents cannot even feed themselves without public assistance.

Yet the modern family of all classes has also become nearly as vulnerable--in some ways, more vulnerable.

We are not safe in our neighborhoods or homes.

We are not safe from crime--we are not even allowed to protect our families or have those who harm our families punished.

And we are not safe from economic dislocation.

And our children are not safe from predators and not safe from an evil influence that permeates popular culture and is certain to corrupt even the best of them to some degree.

This is not a society in which it is wise to start a family--that would be building a castle in the sand.


97 posted on 07/06/2002 8:03:53 AM PDT by Age of Reason
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things have become so stacked in favor of women, regardless whether children are involved,
that if i had marriage to do over today, i wouldn't !
109 posted on 07/06/2002 8:13:36 AM PDT by tomkat
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What is the underlying cause of this current mess called "marriage"?

It's the freakin' marriage license!

A license is defined in Black's Law Dictionary, Fifth Edition, as follows:

"The permission by competent authority to do an act, which, without such permission, would be illegal, a trespass, or a tort. People v. Henderson, 391 Mich. 612, 218 N.W.2d 2, 4.

This begs the obvious question. Since when did "marriage" become an "illegal act"? Hmmm?

In the 1800's in America, the only persons who needed a marriage license were those people of differing races, who wanted to marry. Why? Because back then it was illegal for a white to marry a black (and vice-versa). Hence, they needed "special permission" from the State to perform an "illegal act".

Today, everyone blindly trots off to get a "marriage license" because, well, that's what you do, right?

When you obtain a marriage license you are essentially forming a "corporation", with the State acting in the role of "third party interest" with an "equitable nexus".

What are the "profits" from such a pseudo corporation? Children for one thing. Real property for another.

And that is why you cannot dissolve your marriage without the State's involvement, assuming there is a marriage license in effect.

And what about "separation of church and state"?

The act of marriage is a religious ceremony!

"By the power vested in me by the State of California, I hereby declare you husband and wife." What???

Imagine this. A Baptism license. Imagine Joe Sixpack saying; "Now, uh, let me get this straight. You're saying I got to get me a license to accept Jesus Christ as my Lord and Saviour?"

Did your great-great grandparents have a marriage license? No they did not. Did the world come crashing down? No.

George Washington married Martha Dandridge Custis in 1759. Do you suppose George Washington, the First President of the United States of America, trotted down to his local governmental "authority" and obtained a marriage license? Hell no, he did not.

So why do Americans get marriage licenses? Because they are dumbed down and ignorant, and that's by design.


153 posted on 07/06/2002 9:07:17 AM PDT by handk
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Interesting piece - thanks for posting it.

I agree with many of the points contained therein. I will likely never marry again for many of the reasons cited in the article, and I'm most definitely not "Peter Pan," uncommitted, or immature. The reasons my ex cited in filing for divorce were based solely on her own convenience, and were not the result of any abuse, emotional distance, or dishonorable behavior on either of our parts. Our marriage and our lives were a great adventure in many ways, and when, by necessity, the adventure changed to something different for a while, she was the one who tucked tail and ran first.

This is not a rant against my ex though. She is honorable and successful (and a better shot than I am). We had an understanding, hammered out in excruciating detail before we married, that either party had an open door and was free to walk through it for good reason. I do not keep slaves, and am quite capable of doing my own laundry without turning all the white clothes pink. Her children were already grown and we had no issue of our own, so we were both fortunate that there were no child support issues to consider.

Since many women apparently feel that marriage is a part-time job or choose to define it as till death do us part or until something better comes along, I say "Ignore them and the horse they rode in on" when the next Sadie Hawkins Day comes along. My life is full and complicated enough as it is without blindly signing another social contract with a woman using invisible ink.

157 posted on 07/06/2002 9:16:18 AM PDT by strela
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To Wardaddy: "This was Your Life"

Child custody...wholly unfair.

Child Support: Women who need it get too little and Women who don't need it get too much.

Aside from insuring baby killing "choice", this little morsel is probably the FemiNazis/Womyn's Rights activists biggest pluck.

176 posted on 07/06/2002 9:32:11 AM PDT by wardaddy
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I will give a major bump.

There is an infection among females particularly American ones. The vast majority are not worth bothering with.

I want to tell them, "I don't come in to help you clean up your personal act... You clean up your own act first, then I will think about joining up because of the fact that your act is together."

She will either contribute things, on equal turf, or I will leave.

Most and YES MOST, females (of my age group) have a serious 'blame the other guy', no respect, backbiting, inconsiderate, self centered, hate all men, mentality.

There are two types of contribution:

first type... being nice and respectful. Being happy. Having fun. Being intimate. Communication. All of these things are free and do not cost 10 cents.

Second type... washing dishes, 'having a baby', or cleaning the house, or for guys 'working all day'...

The second often get put into the first tier.

Things I will not do:

be accused
fight
argue
date the girl, and all of her friends also
I will not be in an unequal relationship

I can list a few more, but you get the idea... I have never been married, doubt I will. I have not been impressed.

185 posted on 07/06/2002 9:37:36 AM PDT by maui_hawaii
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