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Best Novel Ever Written
Self | June 25, 2002 | PJ-Comix

Posted on 06/25/2002 7:02:06 PM PDT by PJ-Comix

Okay, so far this evening we've had threads about the Worst War Movie Ever Made and about the Best War Movie Ever Made. Now I will ratchet up the discussions a notch with the BEST Novel Ever Written. Remember this is novel which means FICTION. I exclude science fiction from this category. In my opinion novel writing reached a peak in the late 40s and early 50s. Since then we've had some very good novels but not of the quality of that era.

So my nomination for the BEST novel ever written is an easy one: From Here To Eternity by James Jones. If you haven't read it, then READ IT. It is incredible beyond belief. In fact it was so good, that when Norman Mailer read it, he declared it to be better than his own The Naked And The Dead which is quite an admission for a novelist as egotistical as Norman Mailer to make.

One secret for the quality of From Here To Eternity (in addition to it's outstanding writing) is that James Jones based most of the characters on real people (including himself if you look closely). When I read From Here To Eternity I was stunned by the high quality of the writing. It was the only book I have ever read where I slowed down my reading rate because I didn't want to get to the end. I wanted it to go on and on.

Yes, the movie version was great (although the idea that soldiers would pay Donna Reed just for the privelege of chatting with her in private seemed ridiculous) but after you read the novel, it pales in comparison.


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To: JenB
Ever heard of Harlan Ellison?

Yeah. I ran into him late at night at a Hughes Market in La-La Land. My impression? First class nut case. He was running up and down the cereal aisle in apparent outrage about the sugar content in the cereals and was rapidly writing stuff down in a notepad while muttering to himself angrily. He acted like the fact that supermarkets selling Cocoa Puffs was one of the great crimes against humanity.

161 posted on 06/26/2002 9:13:41 PM PDT by PJ-Comix
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To: PJ-Comix
I actually know one person who knew Ellison and didn't, er, want to choak the man. Nutcase is right.
162 posted on 06/26/2002 9:16:08 PM PDT by JenB
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To: 68 grunt
Oh he "bagged on" everybody... now he has started a new thread with a quote from the book to convince us.
163 posted on 06/26/2002 9:23:32 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Copy that. I caught on a few posts later. :)
164 posted on 06/26/2002 9:41:23 PM PDT by 68 grunt
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To: HairOfTheDog
Hey, don't read the Jones book. I don't care. But, as James Norton said in a review of the book, it's 850 pages feels like a world. Very true.
165 posted on 06/26/2002 9:48:21 PM PDT by PJ-Comix
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To: PJ-Comix
Comix, you think I am dissing your book, I am not. I have not said one negative thing about your beloved book... I am turned off by your snobbish behavior toward any of the other much-loved stories that you have no trouble dissing. I find it funny, really funny.
166 posted on 06/26/2002 9:59:49 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
And I'm not dissing SF. I really like (and read most of) Vonnegut, Asimov, Heinlein, etc.. Recently, however, SF books have lost much of the earlier quality. However, I do like to place different categories in fiction. It's done at libraries, bookstores, and by most everybody....including me and thee (whether or not you admit it).

Hey, I also love the (early) Mickey Spillane books but I definitely distinguish his stuff from novels. I prefer to see the Spillane books with Raymond Chandler and others of that genre. Whether or not folks admit fiction genres exist (Sci Fi, Detective, Romance, Westerns, etc.) they DO exist.


167 posted on 06/26/2002 10:12:18 PM PDT by PJ-Comix
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To: PJ-Comix
This is a re-run...

We are not talking about types and descriptions of books. Descriptions are helpful. We are not arguing over descriptive typing. You have ranked them in comparative class, quality and worth in your world... talked about them as re-hashed fairy tales not on the level of more "serious literary works" or "SF pills". Your attitude stinks when speaking to other book lovers that come on to your thread to answer your question... And you may never get that.

168 posted on 06/26/2002 10:30:06 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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I'm just wondering if Newt Gingrich ever wrote the sequel to 1945.
I'm still waiting to see how that cliffhanger ending came out.
169 posted on 06/26/2002 11:16:37 PM PDT by Tony in Hawaii
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To: PJ-Comix
Worse than having Captain Kirk fall in love with Joan Collins?


170 posted on 06/26/2002 11:28:20 PM PDT by Tony in Hawaii
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To: HairOfTheDog
... talked about them as re-hashed fairy tales not on the level of more "serious literary works" or "SF pills".

The earlier works of SF (Asimov, Heinlein, Vonnegut) along with Tolkien were great. Most of what we have nowadays is indeed a rehash. I'll read this stuff if something really good comes out....which isn't often.

BTW, literary novels aren't as good nowadays as they were in the late 40s and early 50s. However, non-fiction seems to be at a peak right now, especially with biographies. One reason is that (Doris Kearns Goodwin notwithstanding) biographers (and many historians) are using original sources such as interviews. The prime example of the incredible history/biography is Robert Caro with his excellent multi-volume bio of Lyndon Johnson. I think this trend started back in the late 60s with the publication of T. Harry Williams' Huey Long which showed oral biographies (interviews with people involved with subject matter) could be excellent sources.

Oh, and my reading is a bit more eclectic than made out here. Usually I read a history/biography followed by fiction which could be literary novels, Westerns, detective, and, yes, even SF (but only after looking carefully to sort out the vast amount of junk out currently out there.)

p.s. PJ's autobiography recommendation: Witness by Whittaker Chambers. A biography about Chambers also came out a couple of years ago and I think I'll check that one out too.

171 posted on 06/27/2002 4:33:07 AM PDT by PJ-Comix
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To: Tony in Hawaii
Worse than having Captain Kirk fall in love with Joan Collins?

BTW, what do folks here think about the "William Shatner" SF books?

172 posted on 06/27/2002 4:34:27 AM PDT by PJ-Comix
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To: PJ-Comix
They don't count as SF, ok? We're not going to talk about that. They aren't really there, it's a figment of your imagination.
173 posted on 06/27/2002 6:10:42 AM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB
WHAT don't count as SF? Be specific. I can't answer your question until I know WHAT you're referring to.
174 posted on 06/27/2002 6:17:17 AM PDT by PJ-Comix
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To: PJ-Comix
William Shatner's books - I was replying to your previous comment.
175 posted on 06/27/2002 6:17:52 AM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB
I didn't say the Shatner books weren't SF. The use of the quote marks was to cast some doubt that Shatner was REALLY the author of those books.
176 posted on 06/27/2002 6:22:05 AM PDT by PJ-Comix
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To: PJ-Comix
Blah blah blah... Did I ask you for another rambling description of what books you like? (hint, the answer is No... read my post again). Sorry to be rude this morning... But I had so hoped for something else from you.
177 posted on 06/27/2002 7:16:36 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Did I ask you for another rambling description of what books you like?

Um...Take a look at the THREAD title.

178 posted on 06/27/2002 10:28:46 AM PDT by PJ-Comix
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To: PJ-Comix

179 posted on 06/27/2002 10:50:06 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: JenB
Here is a quote by Norman Mailer about James Jones. Since Mailer is probably the most egotistical of all novelists, it must have killed him to make this statement:

"The only one of my contemporaries who I felt had more talent than myself was James Jones."

Mailer also proclaimed From Here To Eternity to be the best novel about WWII and better than his own The Naked And The Dead.

And knowing just how incredibly egotistical Mailer is/was, this is an ASTOUNDING admission.

180 posted on 06/30/2002 8:38:22 AM PDT by PJ-Comix
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