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An Open letter to Jim Robinson: Can the Bush-Bashers
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Posted on 06/06/2002 9:57:11 PM PDT by Big Guy and Rusty 99

Dear Mr. Robinson,

I have been a loyal member of the Free Republic since before the 2000 election. I have been a Conservative since the early days of Clinton. When I found this site, I thought "Thank God, people who think like me." I have continued to think this until the more recent days. Now, it seems that there are threads left and right bashing our President.

Why? There are things the President has done which I don't agree with but my loyality still lies with him. I am not sure if these "Bush-Bashers" fail to see the reality that with politics comes comprimise or it is something worse. I feel there is a cancer in the Free Republic. Some are eating their own.

I feel that some of these people are members of the dreaded democratic underground disguised as disgruntled conservatives. They are only here to stir up trouble. What's worse, they are doing just that. I am not sure what I think you should do.

As a conservative, I believe in our moral code but I also realize the reality of politics. I back our President but if he were doing something unsavory (like lying under oath,) I could not support him. This is unlike the left's clintonista dogma. What President Bush is doing is not betraying the conservative cause. He is using politics to confound the left. Those who do not understand this are either leftists themself or unable to separate themselves from their zealousness.

This is your show. You choose who gets to be a member and who does not. Those who break your rules are banished from the kingdom. I am not discouraging free speech, but this is free speech in your forum. These Bush-Bashers are brining us down. When this infighting happened in 1992, Bill Clinton got elected. let's not let that happen again.

Yours,

Big Guy and Rusty 99


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To: Stand Watch Listen
"Now, in my post, I directed my comments at an action, you however, insulted the individuals."

I hate it when I leave out words.

721 posted on 06/07/2002 9:07:53 AM PDT by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Conservobabe
I have heard the theory that Bush is thwarting the Democrats by taking away all their agenda, points, or whatever. But how are they thwarted if they are getting what they want. That makes no sense. How are you winning the battle if you are giving the other side what they want?

Just a general comment, sometimes I can't tell the excuses being made for President Bush's strange actions, from the excuses made by the Clinton supporters. Just a difference in names. Now if we do not hold our leaders to a higher standard than the other party does, we will have the same caliber leaders they have.

722 posted on 06/07/2002 9:08:01 AM PDT by nanny
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To: oldvike
In the moderators' defense, I'd sure as hell hate to have their job. However, your thread should not have been pulled. If you had been some guy with a brand new account then I could see pulling the thread (as you would have been easily seen as a disruptor trying to stir the pot), but not a long-time poster such as yourself.

Thank you. Especially with my

  1. Long track-record of positive contributions to the forum and
  2. Long track record of using satire to make a point.

723 posted on 06/07/2002 9:09:49 AM PDT by Lazamataz
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To: Lazamataz
Yet another Moderator fan! You guys are making friends left and right today!

Their function quickly changed from maintaining civility, to editorializing, didn't it?

Satire has always been embraced on FR...until now, apparently. It's a damned shame.

Power corrupts...especially, anonymous power.

724 posted on 06/07/2002 9:09:51 AM PDT by beowolf
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To: Lazamataz
Why'd they pull it?! I thought it was funny.
725 posted on 06/07/2002 9:12:30 AM PDT by Registered
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To: Registered
Why'd they pull it?! I thought it was funny.

I don't know, Reg.

I just don't know.

726 posted on 06/07/2002 9:13:48 AM PDT by Lazamataz
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To: Walkin Man
Why do I have this feeling that you and I will still be here when the author of this thread is just a distant memory (unless the site has been shut down by President Hillary)?
727 posted on 06/07/2002 9:14:14 AM PDT by garv
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To: Puddleglum
I know a lot of people wish he were more conservative, but I think he realizes that he's got a big ship to steer, and you can't turn that big of a ship on a dime. It's been swung the wrong direction for quite some time

Eight years of Clinton crookery were preceeded by TWELVE years of Reagan/Bush -- just when does your "quite some time" start anyway? Clinton was obviously able to turn the big ship on a dime, so ....

728 posted on 06/07/2002 9:14:16 AM PDT by MozarkDawg
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To: Lazamataz
There is a pendulum swing in moderation around here, and right now we are in an oppressive Kill-Everything-In-Sight-Questionable-Or-Not mode.

There are times when the reins on the forum need to be tightened, and times when they need to be slackened. My observation over the years is that JimRob & the Mods exercise this flexibility quite well, albeit not perfectly.

Before criticizing the mods, please ask yourself this: how would YOU perform if YOU were in charge of the ZAP button?

I don't need an answer to this. But if you are honest with yourself, I suspect that you'd admit to being as "unfair" with that power as I would be. It takes remarkable restraint to resist zapping commentary that one simply disagrees with, although it is a necessary function to delete that which clearly crosses the "line".

729 posted on 06/07/2002 9:15:19 AM PDT by Willie Green
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To: Zachary1985
Say it directly - there would be no purpose at all for this forum if there were no dissent.

Also there is a big difference between disruption and dissent.

730 posted on 06/07/2002 9:15:49 AM PDT by flamefront
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To: rabbitdog
I think people should state their disagreements with the President, but realize the socialists are the real problem. People who say this President is no different from what Gore, or Hillary, or etc., would do, and won't vote for him next time are being foolish. These issues need to be fought out in Republican primaries and then people need to quit being thumb suckers and whining when Bush doesn't do something that is exactly the way Alan Keyes or Pat Buchanan would do it and realize who the real political enemies are. Alan Keyes and Pat Buchanon were not chosen to represent the Republican party and GW was. I don't agree with everything the President has done, but the President himself probably wishes the legislation sent to him was more conservative. The President is trying to do just as he stated, and that is to be a uniter, not a divider (not to mention he has a war to fight and needs all our help). Unfortunately, you have to take independents into consideration and win a majority of them over if you want to govern. If you want more conservative legislation signed into law then there needs to be a push to get Republican control of everything so we can truly get the conservative agenda passed.

Well stated.

And as someone else said earlier or on another thread, the Conservative agenda needs to start at the LOCAL level.

731 posted on 06/07/2002 9:16:25 AM PDT by Amelia
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To: Willie Green
Deleting my thread caused over 52 layoffs in the Michigan and Ohio areas.
732 posted on 06/07/2002 9:19:41 AM PDT by Lazamataz
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To: Lazamataz
I'm very late on this thread, but would like to say I too am sorry your thread was pulled, Laz; I would have liked to see it. I'm always up for good satire. My view is "let freedom ring" in this forum, unless a poster strays into ethnic or religious insults or profanity.

For what its worth, I don't believe the Bush-bashing on this forum is due to disrupters, although there may be some of that; rather the bashing seems to reflect what is going on in some quarters of the conservative media. I often disagree with the bashers, but that disagreement is an honest one on both sides.

733 posted on 06/07/2002 9:20:07 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: rabbitdog
If you want more conservative legislation signed into law then there needs to be a push to get Republican control of everything so we can truly get the conservative agenda passed.

That's what we heard about the '94 Revolution, "Just give us the majority in both Houses and you'll see change." Then the cold dash of water when we found out that not all *R's* really had the conservative agenda in mind (even though the House GOP all signed the Contract).

BTW, if Ashcroft and Lott had followed the Constitution instead of letting Bush talk them into *making things look good, like we're nice guys*, right now the GOP would have total control, Jeffords' jump would have been irrelevant. Sometimes you really do get what you wish for ...

734 posted on 06/07/2002 9:20:43 AM PDT by MozarkDawg
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To: nanny
Just a general comment, sometimes I can't tell the excuses being made for President Bush's strange actions, from the excuses made by the Clinton supporters. Just a difference in names. Now if we do not hold our leaders to a higher standard than the other party does, we will have the same caliber leaders they have.

Precisely.

735 posted on 06/07/2002 9:22:03 AM PDT by MozarkDawg
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To: Lazamataz
The Moderator's pull of this thread is unacceptable to me and shows me there are great flaws in the current moderator staffing.

There are a number of moderators: some good, some bad. Yours was probably pulled by the "uncool Admin Moderator", not the "cool" one.

And your thread was very funny! Look at it this way: it's now making a point far past the original intent. You're smarter than you realize ;-)

736 posted on 06/07/2002 9:22:51 AM PDT by Darth Sidious
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To: Big Guy and Rusty 99
Definintion of a bush-basher:people who have a bias against the President and do not use facts but just bash. (almost like a liberal)

You do realize that there are mirror images of the clinton koolaide drinkers, don't you? Those who refuse to even acknowlege that there are any problems or areas for disagreement with the president or administration.

Refusal to arm pilots; huge increases in DoE and Farm subsidies; CFR...

IMO, the areas in which I disagree far outwiegh those in which I do agree at this point.

It sems that we have whiners complaining about the bashers who are complaining about the koolaid drinkers who are complaining about the "America haters" who are complaining about Bush's strays from the Conservative agenda. In the mean time, we're all complaining and not getting anything done except trying to silence those whose opinions we don't like.

737 posted on 06/07/2002 9:23:30 AM PDT by Eagle Eye
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To: Lazamataz
Deleting my thread caused over 52 layoffs in the Michigan and Ohio areas.

I'm sure the ADL provides generous severance benefits.

738 posted on 06/07/2002 9:27:13 AM PDT by Willie Green
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To: Willie Green
I'm sure the ADL provides generous severance benefits.

Go Pat Go!

739 posted on 06/07/2002 9:29:17 AM PDT by Lazamataz
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To: mancini
This is all I can say about that, unless you want me to say something more......about that --------

"The public education system in America is one of the most important foundations of our democracy. After all, it is where children from all over America learn to be responsible citizens, and learn to have the skills necessary to take advantage of our fantastic opportunistic society." —George W. Bush, May 1, 2002

740 posted on 06/07/2002 9:32:38 AM PDT by rdavis84
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