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An Open letter to Jim Robinson: Can the Bush-Bashers
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Posted on 06/06/2002 9:57:11 PM PDT by Big Guy and Rusty 99

Dear Mr. Robinson,

I have been a loyal member of the Free Republic since before the 2000 election. I have been a Conservative since the early days of Clinton. When I found this site, I thought "Thank God, people who think like me." I have continued to think this until the more recent days. Now, it seems that there are threads left and right bashing our President.

Why? There are things the President has done which I don't agree with but my loyality still lies with him. I am not sure if these "Bush-Bashers" fail to see the reality that with politics comes comprimise or it is something worse. I feel there is a cancer in the Free Republic. Some are eating their own.

I feel that some of these people are members of the dreaded democratic underground disguised as disgruntled conservatives. They are only here to stir up trouble. What's worse, they are doing just that. I am not sure what I think you should do.

As a conservative, I believe in our moral code but I also realize the reality of politics. I back our President but if he were doing something unsavory (like lying under oath,) I could not support him. This is unlike the left's clintonista dogma. What President Bush is doing is not betraying the conservative cause. He is using politics to confound the left. Those who do not understand this are either leftists themself or unable to separate themselves from their zealousness.

This is your show. You choose who gets to be a member and who does not. Those who break your rules are banished from the kingdom. I am not discouraging free speech, but this is free speech in your forum. These Bush-Bashers are brining us down. When this infighting happened in 1992, Bill Clinton got elected. let's not let that happen again.

Yours,

Big Guy and Rusty 99


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To: Stand Watch Listen
Examine your own posts, this one here, and the article that you posted earlier: "A Few Questions For Die-Hard Bush Supporters".

The piece was written with the intention of offending supporters of president Bush, it starts with the very title.

The article is a thinly-disguised attack on the supporters of the president trying to pass itself off as a critique of some of the policies and actions of the administration. It states it's purpose early, and with little disguise. From the very opening paragraph: "If, however, you cast your vote for Bush, still believe he is the only hope for America and intend to support every move he makes without so much as a raised eyebrow, this is for you."

It continues: "D.C. Republicans assured us that he would restore integrity to the White House and would be a marked improvement over the promiscuous Bill Clinton. Well, in all honesty, that could have been accomplished by electing a neutered chimp to the office of president".

If we truly wanted a neutered chimp in the White House, we would have elected Pat Buchanan.

Now, that was a slam, and uncalled for, but so was the article. Perhaps Mr. Shelton should take time to discuss the issues (no, he did not, he simply listed some questions as an enabler to his slam on Bush supporters), instead of attacking the people who support the administration.

Mr. Shelton's last two and a half paragraphs are nothing but a direct attack on Bush supporters, and, along with the rest of the article, a slam on anyone who believes anything other than what he believes in.

Now, your own post is insulting.

You equate the word Bushbot (generally agreed to mean a mindless supporter of the administration, bad enough on its own) to a Clinton enabler/apologist. Well, to date, President Bush has yet to do something that would land an everyday citizen on jail, there's quite a bit of difference between people who defend matters of policy, and those who defend criminal actions.

Then you go on by substituting the term "Bush bashing" (my term) with your "Bush bootlick".

Now, in my post, I directed my comments at an, you however, insulted the individuals.

I've always read quite a bit of what you post in FR, and while we don't agree on quite a few issues, I find you posts usually to be well supported, and thought provoking. Yet, here you are, inciting the very actions that you criticize.

Perhaps, if you are truly concerned about how an outsider may view this site, you need (as we all do) to examine your own posts.

Luis

601 posted on 06/07/2002 6:16:06 AM PDT by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Big Guy and Rusty 99
While your desires and motivations are obviously well-intentioned, I must disagree with your assessment to ban those who make statements against Bush, Chaney, Rumsfield, etc.

First of all, no one has to agree with everything Bush does. If everyone posting on FR had to comply with what was "acceptable," we would merely become as sheep. There would be a fear of saying too much, so better to say nothing. Where's the intellectual exchange which may have ensued from posting a comment which provoked a passionate debate---leading to a better understanding of the situation, and, perhaps, changed minds (not only with the poster who posted something "inflammatory")?

Second, how could any of us sharpen our understanding of those with opposing views, learn debating tactics to "win" them over, question our own minds and hearts, and "learn" why we believe what we do believe, if it weren't for dissention? And if there are truly democRats posting their liberal spew, fine, we see them for who they are and can gather their "lines of the day" and use it as a tool in our daily life, when we talk to "real people" who are democRats and liberals, knowing they will use those same "lines," have those same ideas; we'll know where they're coming from. Why? Because we've learned here what ALL the arguments are......

For the above reasons, I must respectfully disagree with you.

602 posted on 06/07/2002 6:20:34 AM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: William Terrell
Ok, I'm confused...(today is June 7th BTW)

[...snip..] MR. FLEISCHER: Let me just read from the President's statement of June 11th on global warming, and let me read from the recent report the EPA submitted to the United Nations. And I think you'll hear that on the key issues, they really sound very, very similar. This is the President on June 11th in the Rose Garden, in a speech where he announced his global warming policies. [..snip...]

MR. FLEISCHER: He didn't June 11th. [...snip...]

Are these typo's? The text in the post matches the text on the WhiteHouse.gov website.

These are ostensibly quotes from a press release previously issued, but with embedded dates (June 11th) for next Tuesday? Ari Fleischer is using the same dates (and does not correct the reporter) so it's not just the reporter...So, what's up with that?

603 posted on 06/07/2002 6:21:27 AM PDT by Starwind
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To: Mancini; thinden; Fred Mertz
I certainly hope you read all of this very weighty thread. ;-)
604 posted on 06/07/2002 6:24:22 AM PDT by rdavis84
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To: Texasforever
Alan Keyes. He IS a conservative.
605 posted on 06/07/2002 6:29:21 AM PDT by Scarlet Pimpernel
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To: mercy
Sweetheart....if you think President Bush has NOT been a strong and decisive leader...I guess you would have to say billy clintonista was a strong leader. Because they are opposites. One took a poll to decide what to do, the other has yet to take a poll to decide the right course of action. One was concerned with legacy and being popular, the other with protecting our nation and cleaning up the filthy mess of lying and sleeze that occurred during the previous clintonista reign of terror.

Mercy-if you cannot decipher the extraordinary, breathtakingly refreshing leadership of our President, you are hurting somewhere in your heart. Did bill klinton do this to you?

606 posted on 06/07/2002 6:29:53 AM PDT by Republic
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To: PhiKapMom
re:Post # 31

I am sorry you were called names, etc. due to some thoughtless people. I have endured the same from the Bushies.

I just find a call to banish people that are not 100% a Bushie to be obnoxious. I really hope you do not support that as i have enjoyed your posts in the past. If you do, please rethink your position.

To me, I find very little in this president to cheer about. He is no conservative, at least not in the areas that i care about (exception is that he is pro-life, thank God).

I am sure Saddam is quaking in his boots now just because the Coast Guard reports to somebody new.

HRP

607 posted on 06/07/2002 6:31:40 AM PDT by sauropod
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To: VRWC_minion
that is what I was talking about. LOL
608 posted on 06/07/2002 6:33:36 AM PDT by TLBSHOW
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To: Big Guy and Rusty 99
Where do you draw the line between criticism and bashing?

Who gets banned first?

609 posted on 06/07/2002 6:33:45 AM PDT by Liberal Classic
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To: Big Guy and Rusty 99
I back our President but if he were doing something unsavory (like lying under oath,) I could not support him.

So lying while NOT under oath doesn't qualify as "unsavory"?

610 posted on 06/07/2002 6:37:09 AM PDT by Sloth
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To: PhiKapMom
Let's be truthful and say there is insults on both sides. I've seen many a truthful and logical post be shot down with an insult or mockery by Bush supporters and the poster immediately flamed, personnally and repeatedly.

The knife cuts both ways. And many Bush supporters are just as prone to ignore honest intellectual argument as the supposed "infiltrators" and "extreme right wingers" they are now calling to ban from the forum.

611 posted on 06/07/2002 6:44:09 AM PDT by fogarty
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To: Registered
I think we should ban people that have two names within their screen name...

Or none!

Dan

(Oh, hey, wait....)

612 posted on 06/07/2002 6:45:36 AM PDT by BibChr
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To: CounterCounterCulture
and to champion causes which further conservatism in America...

And this is accomplished by supporting Republicans, not Democrats. When you dont't support a Republican or fail to vote for a REpublican, the Democrat gains the advantage. It's very simple.

613 posted on 06/07/2002 6:49:40 AM PDT by finnman69
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To: Luis Gonzalez
bump to read later...
614 posted on 06/07/2002 6:56:01 AM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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To: finnman69
And this is accomplished by supporting Republicans, not Democrats. When you dont't support a Republican or fail to vote for a REpublican, the Democrat gains the advantage. It's very simple.

It's not as simple as you think. That was the philosophy behind Dole's and others support of Jeffords whenever a real Republican wanted to primary him. Look where that got us.

Is it really too much to ask that our "conservative" president not dramatically increase spending in non-military areas? What happened to the mid-90's when our party talked of eliminating the Department of Education and the NEA? Is it too much to ask that a Republican president not dramaticaly increase their spending?

I defended W for a long time on this forum. I thought it was ok that he was not pursuing controversial domestic policies while trying to win this war, but why does he have to be a worse spender that Clinton?

615 posted on 06/07/2002 6:59:55 AM PDT by Rodney King
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To: Big Guy and Rusty 99
I don't believe in censoring opinions as long as they're civil and don't violate the rules. It's good for us conservatives to see and deal with many points of view, including those of stupid leftists.

If we start banning opinions we don't like, then we're no better than Scumocrat Underground or MsMagazine's FemiNazi chat room crybabies.

616 posted on 06/07/2002 6:59:59 AM PDT by RooRoobird14
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Excellent Luis...excellent.
618 posted on 06/07/2002 7:02:31 AM PDT by Neets
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To: Starwind
Last year.
619 posted on 06/07/2002 7:08:43 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: Big Guy and Rusty 99
"I am not discouraging free speech,"

Liar.

620 posted on 06/07/2002 7:09:38 AM PDT by Harrison Bergeron
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