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Weta's special effects stun expert
Stuff.co.nz ^ | 20th May

Posted on 05/20/2002 7:14:10 AM PDT by maquiladora

The special effects produced by Oscar-winning Weta Workshop in Wellington for The Lord Of The Rings film trilogy was better than anything ever produced before, says a visiting animation expert from Germany.

Sven Pannicke, executive producer of animation at the Animation Institute in Ludwigsburg, said people were stunned by the quality and quantity of computer animation in The Lord Of The Rings: The Fellowship Of The Ring.

It was on a scale never before seen and unlikely to be matched anywhere else in the world, he said.

"You could realise the same effects wherever you want, but not at this level. It's too much for any other company I know. So I think they are absolutely standalone."

He said the amount of work that went into the special effects for the trilogy, including set and character creation and computer animation, was staggering.

"The feeling of the people behind the work is that they are absolutely involved with their animation in their minds. You have to be crazy to be involved in such a project. I really love this," he said.

Mr Pannicke was in New Zealand for four days last week, participating in an exhibition of German animation at Dowse Art Museum in Lower Hutt, called Animated Film From Germany.

Mr Pannicke said animation, which takes three main forms – character, stop motion and computer animation – is becoming a global phenomenon.

The short animated films running as part of the exhibition showed how animation could appeal to people because many of them did not have speaking characters, he said.

"It is, for me, the most international film-making. It is very concentrated with the story and the emotion ... you have a very, very strong picture and very strong music."

Mr Pannicke toured Weta Workshop to see how animation was done in New Zealand, and on Friday he visited Massey University to look at the work New Zealand students were producing.


TOPICS: TV/Movies; The Hobbit Hole
KEYWORDS: lordoftherings; tolkien
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1 posted on 05/20/2002 7:14:11 AM PDT by maquiladora
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To: hairofthedog
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2 posted on 05/20/2002 7:14:32 AM PDT by maquiladora
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To: maquiladora;ecurbh;*Tolkien
I am glad that Weta is getting recognition for their cutting edge work here. Hopefully they will have the same success now that Industrial Light and Magic did after Star Wars. (IL&M is still the all-time coolest name for a company)

So how DID they do the scene with Gandalf and Bilbo inside the front door in Hobbiton?

I understand how most of the rest was done... small character doubles were used if faces were not shown, and the hobbits were either on their knees or on a lower floor if their feet were not going to be shown. I saw a split screen where Bilbo and Gandalf were in the kitchen (the rattling table is the giveaway when Gandalf bumps it) BUT...

In the scene I am Gandalf is standing at the door and Bilbo walks up and takes his hat and staff. You can see his face and his feet for the whole scene, and he is only 3-4 feet tall. It doesn't LOOK split screen. Is it? Anyone know?

3 posted on 05/20/2002 7:30:00 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: maquiladora
I just watched it again. The reason I don't think it is split screen is that Bilbo actually walks away in front of Gandalf. He is not restricted to one side of the screen.
4 posted on 05/20/2002 7:31:16 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
What about the scene when Frodo jumps into the cart and into Gandalf's arms, that one and the Bilbo/Gandalf staff and scene are the two that really impressed me.

Cave troll was great too, as was the Balrog (even though I wasn't too impressed the 1st time I saw it,).

One of the most awe-inspiring moments for me was when the camera swoops around Saruman standing on Orthanc as he calls a storm to form over the mountains. The huge sky filled with broiling clouds....incredible...my jaw hit the floor like a 20lb weight.

5 posted on 05/20/2002 7:57:47 AM PDT by maquiladora
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To: maquiladora
And the whole Saruman top of Orthanc scene was blue screen/CGI background I think....

I think the Frodo leaping scene was a small double... not sure... gee, will have to watch it again to be sure!

6 posted on 05/20/2002 8:28:52 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: maquiladora
Cave troll was great too, as was the Balrog (even though I wasn't too impressed the 1st time I saw it,)

That's interesting... What failed to impress you about the Balrog the first time around? - I thought he was fantastic! - Great huge fiery demon (wing wings!) I felt the heat and fire when he roared. He was exactly what I pictured in my head. What was your vision of him before the movie?

7 posted on 05/20/2002 9:24:42 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
gee, will have to watch it again to be sure!

I feel the need to watch it today! It finally started raining, a nice steady rain, good for the fertilizer. I think a bowl of popcorn and a nice blanket on the couch sounds good...after school is done of course!

8 posted on 05/20/2002 10:52:25 AM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: HairOfTheDog
I don't know, but maybe I was expecting something different, something more....I can't explain it. It just wasn't vivid and memorable enough for me. There's a huge surging build-up of tension that explodes in Moria, the Cave Troll, the Orcs, the crumbling bridges...each more dramatic than the previous so I kind of braced myself for some real eyecandy, but when the Balrog actually entered I sort of just felt "Is that it?". The only two things that impressed be was when the Balrog roared and when it flashed it's whip around the place, but the creature itself seemed too shadowy and ill-defined at times to be truely memorable.

I came out of the cinema, overjoyed, but when somebody asked me what the Balrog looked like, I couldn't remember.

After seeing it multiple times now, yes, I agree that it is stunning, but yet not jaw dropping.

9 posted on 05/21/2002 10:47:36 AM PDT by maquiladora
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To: HairOfTheDog
What was your vision of him before the movie?

Well, even though the movie Balrog is just as the description is in the book, I always had a slightly different vision. I imagined it to be gigantic, a huge, towering demonic figure that would fill the screen. I also expected it to look more physical and less vague and shadowy.

10 posted on 05/21/2002 10:53:58 AM PDT by maquiladora
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To: 2Jedismom; Hairofthedog; Jenb; Ecurbh; all
Hmmm...I am hankering to watch it too--is it time yet for another chat-viewing?
11 posted on 05/21/2002 1:19:40 PM PDT by Penny1
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To: Penny1
Could be... could be! - any night other than tonight!
12 posted on 05/21/2002 1:37:51 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Viewing it totally from memory of course, we don't have those illegal bootleg videos, oh no sir. Photographic memory.
;-)
13 posted on 05/21/2002 1:45:52 PM PDT by maquiladora
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To: maquiladora
yes, hehehehe - photographic memory! ;~D
14 posted on 05/21/2002 1:51:47 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: maquiladora
I was disappointed by the balrog. I think it was the horns or whatever they were. I expected a more man-like and size figure with its menace more implied, I guess.
15 posted on 05/21/2002 1:57:10 PM PDT by Restorer
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The Cave Troll more than made up for it.

I can't wait to see the newly winged Nazgul in the coming movies.

16 posted on 05/21/2002 2:28:08 PM PDT by maquiladora
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To: 2Jedismom
Do you have a copy of the movie?
A couple of you seem to be able to watch it over and over. I've only seen it one time, and by the time I finished the book - a hurried read - it had left our town and I had to drive into Atlanta to see it. The movie was so overwhelming, and a little confusing for someone new to LotR that I really need to see it again.
I have fallen in love with the Soundtrack, and think that knowing the music better will help the next time I see the movie. But, is there somewhere online that you can review it, maybe even like a VCR that you can stop and rewind??
17 posted on 05/23/2002 2:59:16 AM PDT by LinnieBeth
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18 posted on 05/24/2002 2:57:15 PM PDT by Texaggie79
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To: Texaggie79
Hehehe, that's great! Almost makes up for the time I was forced to watch "Dude where's my car". Almost. Did you do that yourself?
19 posted on 05/24/2002 2:59:41 PM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB
Saw it one late night when it was on cable. I thought it would be like Dumb and Dumber (my favorite comedy), but it absolutely sucked. That should have been for 4 year olds.
20 posted on 05/24/2002 3:03:34 PM PDT by Texaggie79
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