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To: Travis McGee
Sorry Hair, but I ain't signing up for a possible "pretext" entry where possibly corrupt LEOs will "see evidence of drugs in plain sight" (after they drop a small glasine vial of crack on the floor) leading to "probable cause" for a search where they will "find" more drugs, an illegal firearm part the size of a nail cliiper or something else on their way to a shakedown.

If you think this is a typical operating practice of police, I would encourage you to step away from the television once in awhile.

Look, I refuse to give this post more thought that the guy who wrote the vanity. He has presented us with a person who has apparently never broken a single law (his facts) who has some policemen at her door asking to speak with her. Then he asks some inane questions, of which all of us know the answers are "NO".

But you have decided that cops sit around and choose to go to the homes of these complete innocents and spread evidence around the house. I don't know what things must be like where you live, where they have run out of real criminals and are planting "illegal firearm parts" in the homes of innocent housewives... But it sounds nice if you really have so little real crime to fight that they are that bored.

If your point is to tell us to be cautious, I am sure you could find a better bandwagon than this scenerio. I know of better examples of abuse than this one, and I don't go looking for them.

26 posted on 04/08/2002 9:42:02 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Hair, the police have procedures for notifying net of kin. Not telling you of the nature of their call before asking to come in is not part of the process. No honest cop ever refuses to tell you the nature of their call. In many cities, the police do not even bother to go to your door. They simply call you on the phone and tell you or ask you to come down.
30 posted on 04/08/2002 9:46:23 AM PDT by PatrioticAmerican
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To: HairOfTheDog
You need to check the links on police corruption, which I did not "see on TV", but have read on FR. These local stories never get aired beyond their home town, but do paint a worrisome picture.

But the greater issue is the strength of the 4th amd. As I have stated, when "voluntary consent" becomes virtually mandatory, we don't have a 4th amd any more.

Already we see police road side stops stretching the "failure to give consent" into "probable cause to search" by the use of truly Orwellian logic: "he would not 'volunteer' for a search, ergo he must be hiding something so I will search him anyway".

This may not bother you, and you may truly wish to bend over for police proctological exams on demand, but I do not. If cops come to my front door and want to "be invited inside", they will need to give me a good reason on the porch.

33 posted on 04/08/2002 9:56:10 AM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: HairOfTheDog ;Travis Mcgee
As a former deputy your both right...sad part is that it's not the 99% of honest LEO's who make ME think in a defensive manner regarding all things cop these days.........it's the one percenters who are worse than the criminal they seek that gives honest cops the "hassle" from honest citizens with nothing to hide.

The only way to correct such opinion /contempt of cop is for honest LEO/FLEAS to not put up with ciminal behavior or allow dishonesty among their ranks.............don't hold yer breath waiting for that to happen HOTdog.

Ya'll Stay Safe !

34 posted on 04/08/2002 9:58:05 AM PDT by Squantos
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