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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


TOPICS: Books/Literature; Chit/Chat; Poetry; TV/Movies; The Hobbit Hole
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To: JenB
Dwarfectomy.... having a dwarf surgically removed....
9,181 posted on 06/13/2002 9:14:17 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Dwarvicted - to be removed from the premises by a Dwarf.

Dwarvette - can't be distinguished from a Dwarf-dude.

Dwarving - to act like a dwarf. Not to be confused with dwarfing, to tower over and make someone else feel small.

9,182 posted on 06/13/2002 9:16:47 PM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB
Dwarvisistic - Placing dwarves above other races...

Dwarvophobe - Having a fear or mistrust of dwarves.

9,183 posted on 06/13/2002 9:21:07 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Dwarfography - writing by or pictures of Dwarves.

Dwarvocentric - believing that everything is focused on Dwarves.

Dwarvophile - a non-Dwarf who is very fond of Dwarves.

Nom de Dwarf, a Dwarvish screen name for a freeper who got burned in the Crusades ;-)

9,184 posted on 06/13/2002 9:25:03 PM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB
Yes I think that about covers it! hehehehe
9,185 posted on 06/13/2002 9:52:55 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog; JenB; ksen; Overtaxed; doubled; Lucius Cornelius Sulla; 2Jedismom; Penny1...
Now cut out the dwarf jokes! Nobody tosses a dwarf!

Just back in from seeing FOTR again. I told my wife I'd forgotten that our cheap theater is in the bohemian/college crowd section of town. Not that there's anything wrong with that. But a decidedly different crowd than at the Multiplex.

Theater was about 80% full for a 9:30 p.m. show.

And we saw the trailer!!! (What's the count now?)

2JM, I didn't notice the ring changing size to fit Isildur's hand. But I noticed towards the end of the movie that Aragorn is wearing a ring on his index finger. Does he have that all the way thru? My son said he had it when Frodo fell and the ring came off (you see his hand go for the sword). But I didn't notice it until the end, and it looked like one of the Elven rings? Am I just imagining that?

I'm thinking this movie may become a cult classic. Almost like Rocky Horror (but not quite in the same manner). When Aragorn lobbed off the Orc's head (toward the end) the crowd cheered.

Well, we're awfully close to the precious for me to go to bed...

9,186 posted on 06/13/2002 10:39:11 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
I'm sure I'd get all kinds of grief...
9,187 posted on 06/13/2002 10:42:14 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
If I ran for it all by myself...
9,188 posted on 06/13/2002 10:42:39 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
I know HOTD is still up...
9,189 posted on 06/13/2002 10:43:07 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
But, it WANTS us...
9,190 posted on 06/13/2002 10:43:30 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
LCS will be mad if I get to 10,000 all by myself...
9,191 posted on 06/13/2002 10:43:57 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
Jen knows about that ring.... we talked about it once before.... it is some kind of heirloom ring, and true to the book... not implied to be a magic ring of any kind...
9,192 posted on 06/13/2002 10:44:02 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Corin Stormhands
Jen will have to do a flitty dance to cheer herself up for not getting the precious...
9,193 posted on 06/13/2002 10:44:37 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
Yes, and I was trying to come up with a thoughtful response to your post while you were sneaking!
9,194 posted on 06/13/2002 10:44:52 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Jen knows about that ring.... we talked about it once before.... it is some kind of heirloom ring, and true to the book...

I didn't remember it from the book. I just noticed the similarity to Galadriel's ring tonite. Or at least I thought it was similar.

9,195 posted on 06/13/2002 10:46:01 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: HairOfTheDog
I'm not sneaking. You can see me can't you?
9,196 posted on 06/13/2002 10:46:31 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
Who will get it?
9,197 posted on 06/13/2002 10:46:53 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
It came up on this thread. MozartLover asked about it... there is some historical ring in Silmarilion or something.
9,198 posted on 06/13/2002 10:47:22 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
ok
9,199 posted on 06/13/2002 10:47:59 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
Mine.
9,200 posted on 06/13/2002 10:48:09 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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