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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


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To: Corin Stormhands
Mine!

-Kevin

7,501 posted on 06/05/2002 6:59:03 AM PDT by ksen
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To: ksen
No you sneak!
7,502 posted on 06/05/2002 6:59:09 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
There are people who don't like coffee?

Well, one Beorning, anyway.

7,503 posted on 06/05/2002 6:59:10 AM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Corin Stormhands
Shoot.

-Kevin

7,504 posted on 06/05/2002 6:59:16 AM PDT by ksen
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To: Overtaxed
Don't like coffee??!! How about tea?

Nope, not tea either. Just plain water. Now you know why I'm not a morning person.

7,505 posted on 06/05/2002 7:00:25 AM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: ksen
Repent Sneak!
7,506 posted on 06/05/2002 7:00:28 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Overtaxed;Corin Stormhands
Now that was the best sneak I've seen in a long time. Congratulations! ;^)

-Kevin

7,507 posted on 06/05/2002 7:00:37 AM PDT by ksen
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To: Corin Stormhands
Give it up, it's not yours any longer. Remember, It WANTS to be found!

-Kevin

7,508 posted on 06/05/2002 7:01:33 AM PDT by ksen
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To: ksen
I've got the Precious! I've got the Precious! Nyah, nyah!
7,509 posted on 06/05/2002 7:06:32 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
Drink up!


7,510 posted on 06/05/2002 7:10:21 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
sssssssiipppp!

aaaahhhhhhhhh!

7,511 posted on 06/05/2002 7:20:36 AM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Overtaxed
Here's one from my "homeland"...


7,512 posted on 06/05/2002 7:22:09 AM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
Refreshing! But needs caffeine!
7,513 posted on 06/05/2002 7:23:56 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
Where is that?
7,514 posted on 06/05/2002 7:40:34 AM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: 2Jedismom
Where is that?

That pic was taken in Michigan's Upper Peninsula, where I was born and raised. You can find a lot more pics like it by going to Pasty Central and following the link for the Pasty Cam. That particular picture was the daily pic for June 4, 2000. :)

Here's the one for June 12, 2000...


7,515 posted on 06/05/2002 7:48:45 AM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
I don't drink coffee either, When I quit smoking about 30 years ago, I unexpectedly found I no longer liked coffee either.

The Antproof Case, by Mark Helprin has a protagonist who is on something of an anti coffee crusade, though Winter's Tale is far and away his best book. You guys should read Winter's Tale, if you didn't already.

7,516 posted on 06/05/2002 7:49:09 AM PDT by Sam Cree
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
Oh they are gorgeous and remind me of the area on the shores of Lake Superior called "The Arrowhead". My husband was born and raised on those shores...literally a few blocks away. There is a river there called "The Baptism" and looks much like that first picture. There is also a cliff there called Palisade Head and my youngest and I have picked wild blueberries at the top of it.
7,517 posted on 06/05/2002 7:52:02 AM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: Sam Cree

Caffeine


7,518 posted on 06/05/2002 7:53:49 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Sam Cree
My Dad did the same thing... when he tried to quit smoking, he found that the compulsion to have a cigarette with his morning coffee was just too strong. So he quit coffee too. Talk about willpower!

What genre does Mark Helprin write in...?

7,519 posted on 06/05/2002 7:58:26 AM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Overtaxed;HairOfTheDog;Corin Stormhands;Lucius Cornelius Sulla;JenB;2Jedismom;Bear_in_Rosebear;All
Hey, check this out. My wife just forwarded it to me at work:

Do you remember this? It was 1987!

At a lecture the other day, they played an old news video of Lt. Col. Oliver North testifying at the Iran-Contra hearings during the Reagan Administration.

There was Ollie in front of God and country getting the third degree, BUT, what he said was stunning! He was being grilled by some senator;

"Did you not recently spend close to $60,000 for a home security system?"

Ollie replied, "Yes, I did, Sir"

The senator continued, trying to get a laugh out of the audience,"Isn't that just a little excessive?"

"No, Sir," continued Ollie.

"No? And why not?" the senator asked.

"Because the lives of my family and I were threatened, Sir."

"Threatened? By whom?" the senator questioned.

"By a terrorist, sir." Ollie answered.

"Terrorist? What terrorist could possibly scare you that much?"

"His name is Osama Bin Laden, sir." Ollie replied.

At this point the Senator tried to repeat the name, but couldn't pronounce it, which most people back then probably couldn't. A couple of people laughed at the attempt.

Then the senator continued. "Why are you so afraid of this man?" the senator asked.

"Because, sir, he is the most evil person alive that I know of." Ollie answered.

"And what do you recommend we do about him?" asked the senator.

"Well, sir, if it were up to me, I would recommend that an assassin team be formed to eliminate him and his men from the face of the earth."

The senator disagreed with this approach, and that was all that was shown of the clip.

In case you're interested, the senator was Al Gore.

Heh heh, I’m sure all the networks will be reporting this tonight. ;^)

-Kevin

7,520 posted on 06/05/2002 8:00:22 AM PDT by ksen
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