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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


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To: SuziQ
" I hope it has the TTT trailer"

The $1.75 theater that my daughter and I went to had it.

6,421 posted on 05/28/2002 11:36:30 AM PDT by Sam Cree
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To: HairOfTheDog
I'd say that people like that, kids or otherwise, should take a long, careful look inside themselves, except there would probably be nothing to see.
6,422 posted on 05/28/2002 11:40:37 AM PDT by Sam Cree
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To: Sam Cree
And I doubt their ability to "see" much no matter where they look!
6,423 posted on 05/28/2002 12:08:14 PM PDT by DonnerT
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To: DonnerT
True
6,424 posted on 05/28/2002 12:34:52 PM PDT by Sam Cree
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To: 2Jedismom
The weather here is dreadful, a steady pouring rain. No thunder or lightening, thankfully.

(sigh) That's one of the things I miss, living in Texas... a nice steady, pouring rain. Doesn't happen very often down here. We did get some thunderstorms last night though, which will keep the grass in our yard from dying completely.

6,425 posted on 05/28/2002 12:41:20 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Sam Cree
I basically believe in the rights of the individual and personal liberty.

I think you're right... our political views probably are pretty similar.

6,426 posted on 05/28/2002 12:44:39 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Overtaxed
Can you give me the countdown time now?
6,427 posted on 05/28/2002 1:41:16 PM PDT by JenB
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
" our political views probably are pretty similar"

Yes, and I enjoy arguing them on FR, especially since my wife has told me (justifiably), since she already agrees with me, will I please quit always haranguing the household about them.

Aside from helping me focus my views, I really learn through the give and take that occurs here.

6,428 posted on 05/28/2002 1:41:57 PM PDT by Sam Cree
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To: JenB; Overtaxed; HairoftheDog
OT's just sneaking and waiting for the next double 0's...

Kinda quiet, most sneaks must be out and about. Later tonite folks.

6,429 posted on 05/28/2002 2:00:33 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: JenB
203 days, 7 hours, 35 minutes, 23 seconds.

Wait a second....20 seconds. No 15....ummm 10? How long will this take to post? :)

6,430 posted on 05/28/2002 2:24:49 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Corin Stormhands
Sneak!
6,431 posted on 05/28/2002 2:25:52 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
Too long, must invent time machine now. Back later - or earlier, depending on my success.
6,432 posted on 05/28/2002 2:33:38 PM PDT by JenB
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To: Penny1
There were normal people and then the expected odd-balls. I liked it pretty well.

Speaking of odd-balls...there was a girl in the grocery store that was really odd looking...pitch black hair, white skin, everything visible was pierced. Anyway, I turned the corner and smiled at her. (That's just the way I am...a sort of rebelliousness, really.) Anyway, this girl flashed me the brightest most cheerful smile I've seen in a while.

I told Steve that there are people in the world that look perfectly normal and won't give you the time of day, and yet there are odd-looking young ladies that will smile at a slightly pudgy housewife without one bit of reservation.

Never judge a book by it's cover, the moral would be, I guess!

6,433 posted on 05/28/2002 3:15:53 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: JenB
I'll not be back on till tomorrow, probably...we have thunderstorms rolling through and I'm afraid for my computer (we don't have a surge protector yet) and I'm going to unplug it for the evening.

See ya'll in the morning!

6,434 posted on 05/28/2002 3:22:45 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: 2Jedismom
We'll miss you! But take care of that spiffy new computer of yours and stay safe!
6,435 posted on 05/28/2002 3:44:16 PM PDT by Penny1
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To: Penny1
Hello, everyone! What's up? Nasty weather here, but for now I'm connected. No luck yet on the time machine project - guess I'd better hope my future self pops in with blueprints! Who wants to go on a visit to Dec 18, 2002 with me?
6,436 posted on 05/28/2002 4:02:18 PM PDT by JenB
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To: JenB
It's been an awfully quiet day today--once the sneaks steal the precious, people don't hang around so much.... ;)

Put me on your list to visit 12/18/02! I just realized today that we aren't even halfway through the year yet! Argh!

6,437 posted on 05/28/2002 4:17:24 PM PDT by Penny1
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
I was busy today... Just got home from Seattle. Was too busy to even check in! - Well, the scouring has begun... lots of workman were at the cemetery cleaning it up and setting the stones back up that can be fixed. I drove by to see on my way home.
6,438 posted on 05/28/2002 4:18:54 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Hullo Hair! Glad you're home where it's safe. How are the horsies?
6,439 posted on 05/28/2002 4:20:58 PM PDT by JenB
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To: Penny1
Hi - Just got home and started catching up!

If I have any friend that would do the line party thing, it would be you. No other would do it. We shall have to see how "all out" I feel towards the big day. Right now I am not sure if I would want to go up there for the big midnight show (which I do think I will see this time) since it is so far from home. Last time, if you recall, I waited until after Christmas to even see FoTR because I wanted to give the tickets to my brother and go with him. No waiting this time I don't think. I may buy him tickets again, but it will not be for my first view!

6,440 posted on 05/28/2002 4:23:59 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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