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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


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To: HairOfTheDog
Yeah, I'm pretty bad at it at times...but getting better!

I'm glad to hear about the puddle...I don't want that part cut!

5,701 posted on 05/19/2002 3:23:00 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: 2Jedismom
Oh, I got #01!! Yeahhhh!
5,702 posted on 05/19/2002 3:24:10 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: 2Jedismom
Yes, you like those new pages, don't you? At least you're not scrambling for the 00s like the rest of us!
5,703 posted on 05/19/2002 3:26:42 PM PDT by JenB
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To: maquiladora; Hairofthedog; all
I think that this is one of the "possibilities," but there have been many conflicting reports about this part.

Spoiler talk follows (highlight to read):

For example, Ian McKellan has said things that imply that Saruman dies in TTT, but at the same time Christopher Lee has said he is in all three movies. So the reports are all contradictory.

Just something to keep in mind with spoilers--unless it comes from PJ himself, remember to take them all with a huge grain of salt. ;)

5,704 posted on 05/19/2002 3:47:18 PM PDT by Penny1
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To: JenB
Anakin is a psychotic dope, too....that's kind of a frightening combination.
5,705 posted on 05/19/2002 3:48:14 PM PDT by Penny1
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To: HairOfTheDog
I'm not sure what version of the ping list I have, Hair. I think it's the first one you used for the Green Dragon before people started requesting to be added to it. Will that do?
5,706 posted on 05/19/2002 3:49:41 PM PDT by Penny1
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To: Penny1
Psychoticly dopy dweeb with bad hair and a bad attitude and hormones. Not a very promising bad guy.
5,707 posted on 05/19/2002 3:58:16 PM PDT by JenB
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To: Penny1
Oh I dunno... It is a super dry thread. I don't know if I can even recommend reading it! - let alone pinging the world to it! hehehehe

Don't comment on the spoilers here! - Save your comments for the spoiler thread to get us going. I am working on it now!

5,708 posted on 05/19/2002 4:07:27 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog; Overtaxed
Oh come now, you know I'm about as good at following rules as my fellow Took, Overtaxed.... :o

The wings in Took's corner sure are yummy today! ;)

5,709 posted on 05/19/2002 4:09:43 PM PDT by Penny1
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To: HairOfTheDog;Penny1
Oh come now, you know I'm about as good at following rules as my fellow Took, Overtaxed

Give us a few rules so we'll have the pleasure of breaking them!

5,710 posted on 05/19/2002 4:17:43 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
I would rather make up the rules as I go along! This gives you a lot more opportunity to break them, really, than having a finite set of rules.


5,711 posted on 05/19/2002 4:21:50 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Overtaxed; Hairofthedog
Can I pass you wings, OT? And perhaps a pint or two....

I sure am glad I'm not the only Took in this bunch. And thanks, Hair, for giving us more rules to break. :)


5,712 posted on 05/19/2002 4:28:52 PM PDT by Penny1
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To: ecurbh;Lucius Cornelius Sulla;Overtaxed;Samwise;ksen;Corin Stormhands;ALL
OK - I posted a new thread for TTT spoilers:

Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers (Movie Spy Reports and Spoiler thread)

I am not going to ping folk to it until they TELL me they want to be pinged to Spoiler alerts! So go check it out if you wish, and let me know if you want on the list!

5,713 posted on 05/19/2002 5:12:02 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Thanks for the ping!
5,714 posted on 05/19/2002 6:30:01 PM PDT by Samwise
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To: HairOfTheDog
That way, those unwilling to see it could just try to resist the temptation to click on it, and it wouldn't appear here.

Oh, sure, and while we're at it we'll open up the bar for the alcoholics...

(I'd appreciate the pings)

5,715 posted on 05/19/2002 7:23:33 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
hehehe - That's what I figured....
5,716 posted on 05/19/2002 7:56:43 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: All
Been awhile since anyone thought to post a nightlight... Here is one from The Two Towers, in light of today's main conversation!

Good night all!

5,717 posted on 05/19/2002 11:01:09 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Good morning! What a dreary day outside! There's a line of thunderstorms coming and I ought to run out and fertilize the yard!
5,718 posted on 05/20/2002 7:04:07 AM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: 2Jedismom
It's dreary here too... Having some breakfast and coffee. I not particularly excited about getting started yet! Hullo! - Good Morning!
5,719 posted on 05/20/2002 7:12:12 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: BibChr
Dan - Glad you liked AOTC. Our brood did as well, very much so. A few things troubled me, but after all I'd read in advance to the contrary I was pleasantly surprised by how well the Anakin/Amidala relationship was handled. They've been described as "wooden," but I think that this is correct because they're doing the best they can to overcome the habits of very formal upbringings and vocations.

I mentioned on another thread that I think that a key is that Amidala's confession of love for Anakin comes just before she thinks they're going to be killed. I don't believe she ever actually thought through what LIVING with him would be like!

Also, she's got her arrogant and self-centered side as well, just like him, and likely it's a boost for her self-esteem to think of the "most powerful Jedi" as her lover. Their is darkness and light mingled in their relationship, just as there is in his character.

5,720 posted on 05/20/2002 7:26:35 AM PDT by Wordsmith
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