Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.
In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:
Our discussion has been light:
It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog
However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB
Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr
Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog
Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB
Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed
To the very philosophical:
…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla
To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…
…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB
Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog
…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1
Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed
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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom
…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253
Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed
So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.
Thanks for any help you can give me.
-Kevin
How do you expect to make vitamin D without sunlight?
Thankyouverymuch
-Kevin
Aahh! Here’s the one I was looking for:
I hope that helps your quiver design efforts. ;^)
(click on the pics to be taken to the page where you can get a larger version)
-Kevin
SAURON to the tune of GASTON from the Disney animated feature BEAUTY AND THE BEAST
(as sung by the Witch-King of Angmar)Sunday, November 28, 1999 by William H. Hsu
"I have still this to say... you do not know your peril!"
- The Two Towers, Ch. 7 (Helm's Deep)
SCENE: The Barad-Dur, some years after the Quest of Erebor. SAURON and the WITCH-KING OF ANGMAR are taking afternoon tea on a platform near the pinnacle.
SAURON: Who do they think they are?! The White Council has tangled with the wrong Maia! No one dares to assail Sauron!
WITCH-KING: Heh, darn right!
SAURON: Assaulted! Thwarted! Driven out of Dol Guldur! Why, it's more than I can bear!
WITCH-KING: Er, more blood?
SAURON: What for? Nothing helps! Without my Precious, I'm a Shadow of my former self!
WITCH-KING: Who, YOU? Never! Sauron, you've got to pull yourself together...WITCH-KING:
Gosh, it disturbs me to face you, Sauron
Though I'm the great Morgul-King
Every bad guy'd love to be you, Sauron
Even without the One Ring!
Where has the twinkle gone, oh my liege,
From your terrible Lidless Eye?
Everyone still fears and dreads it, Sauron
Not just Nine Mortal Men doomed to die!No one's strong like Sauron
Sings fell songs like Sauron
And in snow-flinging no one's arm's long as Sauron's!For there's no Lord of Darkness so evil
Twisted, abhorred, cruel, and foul
He makes those puny Balrogs look feeble
And he teaches these lost souls in Mordor to howl!NAZGUL CHORUS:
No one prods like Sauron!
Plays "dark god" like Sauron!WITCH-KING:
No one stands up like a lightning rod like Sauron!SAURON:
Numenor really fell for my machinations!TROLLS:
My, what a guy, that Sauron!
Give five hurrahs, give twelve hip-hips!WITCH-KING:
Sauron makes the Elves flee Middle-earth in ships!NAZGUL CHORUS:
No one's breath's like Sauron's
Preys on death like SauronSHADE OF AR-PHARAZON:
No one brings on the Akallabeth like Sauron!ORC BIMBOS:
For there's no one as guileful and cunningSAURON:
As you see, I've got Ringwraiths to spareWITCH-KING:
We set his enemies all to runningSAURON:
That's right!
But sometimes they "run" to my spider queen's lair!
(SHELOB chows down)NAZGUL CHORUS:
No one SEES like Sauron
Burns White Trees like Sauron
No one brings kings of Men to their knees like Sauron!SAURON:
I have crushed several realms through slow depredations! Ha!NAZGUL CHORUS:
Ten points for Sauron!SAURON:
When I was a young Maia in Valinor
I served Aule before Moon and Sun
But now that I've set up shop in Mordor
I think that there can be only One!NAZGUL CHORUS:
No... one's... warm like Sauron
Changes form like Sauron
Then sends his dark will forth casting storms like Sauron!SAURON:
I'm a sorcerer beyond imagination!WITCH-KING:
Say it, you curs!
Who's the Necromancer?
And then say it once more
Who's our favorite Dark Lord?Who gives good guys no rest?
Don't you know? Can't you guess?
Ask his slaves and the ghosts of his foesOf our master we sing
He's the Lord of the Rings!MOUTH OF SAURON:
And his name's S-A-U-... R-...
S-A-U-R-... E-...
S-A-U-R-O...
(Suddenly the MOUTH OF SAURON is fried by a giant ZOT!)TROLLS:
Sauron!
(Many ZOTs in rapid succession)(Eerie silence settles over the plateau of Gorgoroth)
FINI
"Nor does he permit it to be spelt or spoken"
Beauty and the Beast will never be the same. ;^)
-Kevin
I got my whistle a couple of days ago and I've been busy practicing. I play a mean Twinkle Twinkle Little Star, I tell ya!
Click here to see a picture of my whistle.
-Kevin
Smeagol wants it...
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