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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


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To: Overtaxed
" I've got power!"

Be careful how you use that power!
46,941 posted on 12/11/2002 4:16:46 PM PST by NewCenturions
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To: 2Jedismom
Mad Max is coming back!

Woo Hoo!! I loved those movies!! Thunderdome is my favorite, though, not only because of Mel, but because I just love the song sung by Tina Turner!!

46,942 posted on 12/11/2002 4:17:47 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: NewCenturions
Why should we fear to use it?
46,943 posted on 12/11/2002 4:25:18 PM PST by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
You CANNOT wield it! None of us can. (Except maybe Legolas.)
46,944 posted on 12/11/2002 4:28:10 PM PST by NewCenturions
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To: NewCenturions
Legolas? The elf-boy? Wield the Ring?....BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!
46,945 posted on 12/11/2002 4:33:05 PM PST by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
They never even asked him. I think he could do no wrong. (He is like the Marsha Brady of the fellowship - no disrespect intended...it's the hair) He's just so perfect!
46,946 posted on 12/11/2002 4:36:28 PM PST by NewCenturions
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To: NewCenturions
He is like the Marsha Brady of the fellowship

Lego! Lego! Lego!

46,947 posted on 12/11/2002 4:38:56 PM PST by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
When good fantasies go wrong (I don't know WHAT I was thinking!)
46,948 posted on 12/11/2002 4:43:16 PM PST by NewCenturions
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To: NewCenturions

Marcia Brady. Inventor of ElfGuard?

46,949 posted on 12/11/2002 5:02:40 PM PST by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
I just had a horrid thought of Elrond married to a blonde female elf (didn't he have 3 kids, all of them dark-haired?)
46,950 posted on 12/11/2002 5:07:59 PM PST by NewCenturions
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To: NewCenturions
The Elrond Bunch


46,951 posted on 12/11/2002 5:11:50 PM PST by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
Anybody want a cookie???

I've only got about a million.

46,952 posted on 12/11/2002 5:21:29 PM PST by Lil'freeper
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To: Overtaxed
LOL! If THAT doesn't get us both banned from Entmoot, I don't know what will!
It's the story of an elf named Elrond...
46,953 posted on 12/11/2002 5:21:48 PM PST by NewCenturions
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To: Lil'freeper

46,954 posted on 12/11/2002 5:23:34 PM PST by Lil'freeper
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To: Lil'freeper
mmmmmmm, cooooookies....
46,955 posted on 12/11/2002 5:26:24 PM PST by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Lil'freeper
I'd like some of those cookies but I'm already on a sugar high. May I save some for breakfast?
46,956 posted on 12/11/2002 5:28:29 PM PST by NewCenturions
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To: NewCenturions
Absolutely- they are cranberry-orange cookies. I'm waiting for them to cool before I frost them.
46,957 posted on 12/11/2002 5:29:48 PM PST by Lil'freeper
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To: Overtaxed
Congratulations on having power! From what I've heard, The Hound of the Baskervilles is a pretty good Holmes adaptation... but I've never seen it, I'm sorry to say.

Good to have you back, and glad you weathered the storm unharmed!

46,958 posted on 12/11/2002 5:29:56 PM PST by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: All
Good grief! 300 posts in a little more than 24 hours??? Looks like a whole lotta spammin' going on...

I am back. Barely. Drove thru the ice storm to get there. But stopped to get coffee and my car died. Turned out it was just corrosion on the battery cables. Yes, I should know better, but my mechanic and the dealer were under the hood last week.

I was late to the meeting. But it worked out 'cause I was able to give my bosses grief for not having their cell phones on.

Gotta run for now, trying to get some decorating done tonite. At least a wreath on the door and candles in the windows...performances resume tomorrow night.

Although there's a triple in the road ahead...I may have to check in later...

46,959 posted on 12/11/2002 5:29:57 PM PST by Corin Stormhands
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To: Sam Cree
We gave this a lot of thought right after 9/11. Sir SuziQ decided the best way we could prepare would be to be in as liquid a position as we could be given the 401Ks and a home that we own. He's trying to get into a position that gives us plenty of cash on hand (in the bank, we certainly won't be putting it under our mattress!), and each time we have refinanced with the lower interest rates, we have lowered the mortgage amount so that we have more equity each time. This way, even if we have to sell the house at an amount that is lower than its value right now, we'll still get plenty of equity out of it.

If he could get a good paying job in the South, we could buy some land and build a house. We'd love to be more self-sufficient; deep well, solar electric and hot water, gray water irrigation system, wood burning inserts in the fireplaces for better efficiency, lots of trees to burn, a garden, pond etc. Ideally this shangri-la would be on a lake so I can sit on the porch in a rocking chair and drink coffee every morning, or whenever I felt the urge. I love the water, and would love to live where I could see it all the time.

In that place we'd feel less tied to what happens in the cities, and I think we'd feel safer. With greater self-sufficiency, our lives would be less disrupted if the infrastructure of the nearest city were out of action for a while.

46,960 posted on 12/11/2002 5:32:50 PM PST by SuziQ
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