Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.
In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:
Our discussion has been light:
It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog
However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB
Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr
Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog
Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB
Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed
To the very philosophical:
…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla
To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…
…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB
Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog
…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1
Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed
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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom
…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253
Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed
So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.
I've read the thread since the beginning though and can't recall it ever coming up.
As for a replacement Elrond, how about Steven Tyler? LOL!!!
naaaw.... too masculine...
Can AOTC be considered for an Oscar?
The big night is coming for everyone in the movie making business; the Oscars. Back in June there was some debate one whether films that we captured digitally should be able to be up for an Oscar because there is no film involved. The board met and while discussing it Academy President Frank Pierson brought up a great question "Who's going to call George Lucas and tell him his movie can't be nominated for an Oscar?"
HOLLYWOOD -- When director George Lucas made "Star Wars: Episode II Attack of the Clones," he recorded the action as a massive string of ones and zeros, captured on digital cameras and augmented with special effects created on computer terminals. In some cases, it was shown in theaters with a digital projector.
" Star Wars" is undeniably a movie. But should the absence of actual film stock disqualify it from competing for a golden statue on Oscar night?
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He was great in The Birdcage with Robin Williams! ;)
I had never seen the Leonard Nimoy Bilbo Baggins video until 5 minutes ago.
I only got halfway through it before I had to click it closed.
The only thing running through my mind at that moment was: WWWWHHHHHYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!????
I am traumatized for life.
I recommend The Matrix though. It is a pretty good flick!
Wait until Corin gets back and sees that!
See you later!
Look at Robin Williams - he was "Mork" for the longest time and now he's someone different to almost everyone. Mel Gibson played a strong William Wallace, but despite that, he went on to play other, just as memorable roles (comedy and drama).
The singular difference with Hugh is that he was a new face to most when he played Agent Smith in The Matrix and he hasn't been in any big name flicks since then. So he has "suddenly" appeared as Elrond in the LoTR trilogy and the association is made instantly.
Add to that, both characters behave seemingly void of human emotion so it adds to the difficulty of separating the characters. If Hugh had played a more light-hearted role, chances are the recognition would still be there, but not the typecasting.
Just my 2 cents. :)
When we move down South, and closer to our families, I'd like to get a dog. A shorter trip in the car without any overnights on the road would be fine with a dog.
LOL!! Don't you WISH!! Just funnin wit ya!!
Now we see why those 'Mounties' were suspicious the other day!!
When we see him on the screen now, we all say "Misterrr Uuunderhilllll"!
Those things make too much noise....it's bad enough trying to sleep listening to the one down the road.
Well....I still don't have power but now I'm ready whenever the power company is. I've got a spanking brand new meter box on the house, the tree fragments are off the eaves and the way is clear for the power guy to run the lines. I still have to drive under sagging lines to get in and out of the driveway.
Still no power at work. I'm at The House (where the garden is) waiting for words from the power company,insurance company, and work. My sister's VCR got fried when they turned the power on so she wanted me to bring the DVD player (we're watching The Movie now.) Cable service isn't back up and the only thing she can watch during dinner time is Dan Rather (eeewwww!)
BTW, Corin, my sister's playing the Mannheim Steamroller concert at the Richmond Colliseum Saturday night.
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