Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.
In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:
Our discussion has been light:
It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog
However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB
Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr
Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog
Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB
Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed
To the very philosophical:
…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla
To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…
…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB
Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog
…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1
Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed
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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom
…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253
Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed
So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.
Tell them Grandmother is not there, and they don't HAVE to eat it!
I sent the link to Sir SuziQ to let him know so he can tell the kids!
Check out the link in post #43958.
Here's something... 21st Century Bag End (Hobbit hole design you can build from stormdrains!)
I'll have to check out the DVD again, that song escaped me. And when I catch it I can copy it from the DVD and burn it with my TTT mp3's
Glad you're okay.
I'm sorry....what were we talking about?
Hubby and I made the decision last night at Best Buy. We ended up with an eMachine (IBM) with 1.8GH Intel Celeron processor, 128MB RAM, 40GB HD, CD-RW and DVD-Rom. After I turn in the rebates we'll have paid only $500 for it, including an all-in-one color printer (copier & scanner) from Lexmark (I know they are junk, but we won't put much strain on it).
Couldn't post last night since I was setting up the system and creating an e-mail for Glen. Then, of course, I had to turn everything off and show him step by step how to get online.
I tested the DVD Rom by playing LoTR on it - works great. I haven't checked out the goodies yet, but I will sometime this weekend.
Got to go get ready for work so I'll post later. I just wanted to share my happy news with everyone. :)
Now I'll be able to visit the Hobbit Hole at night and over the weekend - if I get the time, that is.
Who am I kidding? I'll MAKE the time!
2JM - I'm beginning to agree with you. I think you're right in the fact that I was trying to be hoodwinked. I just don't know what goes through people's minds anymore. What were they thinking? That I wouldn't notice? That I'd be ok with making as much as I am now? Nonono...I'm leaving my present company to MOVE FORWARD...not stay lateral.
I was sort of depressed yesterday because of it, and still am in a small way. But, when Autumn woke up this morning and shreiked "SNOW, SNOW! Daddy! Oh WOW we gots snow! Can't believe it!" it made everything a lot better. This is the first snow of the season, and she hasn't left the bay window yet...not even when The Wiggles came on TV...and that's rare for her. She's going on about "Make snowballs! 'Mon Daddy...let's make snowballs!" lol...how can I say no to her?!
So, despite the fact that it's still early, and the snow hasn't stopped yet...we're going to let Mommy sleep for a while, and head outside to play.
I'm out of here. Gonna try to get some yard work done, then dentist appointment, then pick up one vehicle from the garage (serviced to keep the warranty), then drop off another (I have no signal lights and I can't find it this time), drop off the dog at the doggie spa, then head to North Carolina. Will be back sometime on Friday when we hope to put up decorations (at least the outside ones), then rehearsals...we open a week from tonite, so from Friday on, we'll be there every day (except for the second M,T,W) until the 15th...then there's something happening on the 18th....but I can't put my finger on it right now. Oh well, it'll come to me...
Happy Thanksgiving! 
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