Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.
In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:
Our discussion has been light:
It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog
However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB
Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr
Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog
Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB
Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed
To the very philosophical:
…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla
To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…
…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB
Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog
…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1
Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed
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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom
…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253
Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed
So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.
Here's hoping! LOL!
Oh.
"Two things have to happen before islamic terrorism will be defeated.
1) The world must come to understand that 99.9% of terrorism is state sponsored.
2) To defeat terrorism we must realize the threat (which most don't), realize that this is a clash of civilizations (which must don't) and realize that the only reason the terrorists use terror is because they don't the weapons yet to do more damage (which will soon end)."
Forgive me for getting off topic, but since you're here, I wanted to bring up your post from last week.
Just that I agree (more than) strongly with both of these points. It somehow hadn't filtered thru my thick skull that the terrorist require state sponsorship, or at least states that look the other way. But once you think about it it's obvious. Thanks for pointing it out.
I did see right from the start that if those idiots would kill 3000+ people (they hoped for more) without warning just for the sheer hatred of it, that they will do much worse when they can. There shouldn't be any doubt that they will gladly use WMD's, without warning, when they get them.
As even the leftist Tony Blair realizes, Western Civilization is under attack.
I have a turkey in the smoker right now, that hickory smoke has a great aroma.
I believe it's for french fried onions or something.
Could you put a fan on it facing east? That smell is driving me crazy!
Yeah, we can't wait 'til she's here. I think it's going to be a late evening.
Bibi pulls no punches, and he's right. The only way to fight terrorism is to dismantle the states that sponsor it.
Tonight, in my terrorism class, I am going to learn how to write threat assessments.
Mmmmmmmm.....hickory smoke. My favorite! I did chickens on the grill last Sunday.
Yes. LOL! In fact, we were overflowing with green bean casserole last year. If I had known they were bringing one, I wouldn't have bothered.
That never works. Around the grill, barbecue meteorology kicks in and the position of the chef determines the direction of the wind.
And why wouldn't Saddam Hussein give a dirty nuke to an Al Qu-aeda member? He wants America destroyed too.
Remember, it's not ideology that pulls the terrorist and the state together, but the mututal goal. Osama Bin Ladin may consider Saddam a Pan-arabist and not a good Muslim, but they share a common enemy standing in the way of their victory. The West. So, together, they will destroy the West...both using each other. Later, they will have to turn on each other... but don't worry, both think that Allah is on their side and will give them victory one over the other.
John Ryse-Davies has been released from the hospital and is recovering...
John Rhys-Davies Recovering
11/26/02, 11:26 am EST - Xoanon
Our good friend John Rhys-Davies (Gimli) has been released from yet another hospital, hopefully to his home and comfortable surroundings this time. Take a look at these pics of a 'slimmed down' JRD (who has lost a considerable amount of weight in the past few months). Get better soon John! Take a look! [More]
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Here is a pic of him in an airport somewhere. He is quite a handsome man! He is no longer a funny dwarf! - What happened?
Or an early morning. :)
Re: Green Bean casserole - second place in the Too Much Of The Same Thing on Thanksgiving Contest is: Ocean Spray Canned Cranberry Sauce!
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