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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


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To: Corin Stormhands
tap...tap...tap...

Is this thing on?

43,861 posted on 11/26/2002 9:51:30 AM PST by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
Feeling like the Maytag repairman?
43,862 posted on 11/26/2002 9:52:15 AM PST by Overtaxed
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To: Corin Stormhands
I am back.... horses are fat and happy again, had to work a little too!

Just getting around to some breakfast now.
43,863 posted on 11/26/2002 9:54:06 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: Overtaxed; HairOfTheDog
Feeling like the Maytag repairman?

Sorta. We don't usually go over an hour without a post 'cept on the overnights...and sometimes not even then...

43,864 posted on 11/26/2002 9:57:04 AM PST by Corin Stormhands
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To: HairOfTheDog; Corin Stormhands
Samples are on the machine, notebook is caught up, and now I get to clean some....er....lab equipment. Then it's time to write some crap.
43,865 posted on 11/26/2002 9:58:43 AM PST by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
Matthew is finishing up his language arts. I made an artificial frog from a kit that you can disect, so we're going to do that tomorrow. It's got this jelly-like stuff you pour into a mold around the internal stuctures of the frog. Then you take the top off the mold and disect the frog to get to the stuff inside!

I thought I would wait till my neices get here...
43,866 posted on 11/26/2002 10:08:01 AM PST by 2Jedismom
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To: 2Jedismom
I thought I would wait till my neices get here...

Hehehehe....

43,867 posted on 11/26/2002 10:16:19 AM PST by Overtaxed
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To: g'nad
Good luck and stay warm. I heard it was cold in Kentucky yesterday, which means the same for Virginia today, I think...and a little cooler here in Miami tomorrow, probably.

Yeah, daughters are a great thing.
43,868 posted on 11/26/2002 11:10:45 AM PST by Sam Cree
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To: Sam Cree
It's snowing! Yes, siree bob! That means two things... a run on milk and bread at Krogers, and everybody forgets how to drive.

How I hate the first snow of the year!

43,869 posted on 11/26/2002 11:12:49 AM PST by carton253
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To: carton253
"a run on milk and bread at Krogers"

Same thing happens here (Tennessee). Why milk and bread? If the power goes out, so goes the milk. And our "big storms" last a total of 3 days. Do people really live off 12 loaves of bread during that time? (I like to stock up on M&Ms and Doritos)
43,870 posted on 11/26/2002 11:25:43 AM PST by NewCenturions
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To: NewCenturions
I like to stock up on M&Ms and Doritos

Uh uh. Cat food.

43,871 posted on 11/26/2002 11:30:11 AM PST by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
I forgot about the cat food. In case of emergency, my cat will eat tuna and bagels.
43,872 posted on 11/26/2002 11:33:51 AM PST by NewCenturions
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To: NewCenturions
I know!

It is amazing... The first hint of snow and you can't find a carton of milk to save your life. It's truly bizarre. The only thing that is worse is when you have to go to the store because you actually need something and not because you are in survivor mode. Then you have to stand in lines that go down the aisle.

43,873 posted on 11/26/2002 11:35:28 AM PST by carton253
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To: NewCenturions
Kitty doesn't understand ice on the road. :)

She'll eat tuna fish in an emergency but it has to be chunk light tuna with salt packed in water. If it's fancy albacore, low sodium, or in oil you can forget it!

43,874 posted on 11/26/2002 11:37:10 AM PST by Overtaxed
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To: NewCenturions
I like to stock up on M&Ms and Doritos

And pints. Must have pints!

43,875 posted on 11/26/2002 11:39:19 AM PST by Corin Stormhands
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To: Overtaxed
The only thing my cat has to have is Pounce. He's thoroughly addicted. He acts like Gollum with the precious. It's amazing.

I'm the kind of shopper who goes to the store once every pay period (2 weeks). So, as long as it storms on the right Thursday, I'm saved.

Right now, I have plenty of milk, bread, meat, candy, pop, cat food, and pounce. I can weather this storm (no accumulation, but you'd be surprised at the panic).

43,876 posted on 11/26/2002 11:39:33 AM PST by carton253
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To: carton253; Overtaxed
The only thing my cat has to have is Pounce.

My in-laws used to put my wife on the speaker phone so both could hear. I'd get on our other line and rattle a Pounce can and drive their cats crazy (the cats used to live with us...long story).

43,877 posted on 11/26/2002 11:41:29 AM PST by Corin Stormhands
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To: carton253
I think we're supposed to get a cold nassty rain here tomorrow morning. Kitty has to have wet food. She doesn't care much for treats.

I should be okay, I just bought coffee yesterday and the milk is good until the 30th. I haven't done the shopping for Thanksgiving dinner yet. I have to call the house this afternoon and (sigh) see if I can get coordinated with the siblings.
43,878 posted on 11/26/2002 11:42:59 AM PST by Overtaxed
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To: Corin Stormhands
My cat is so funny. He gets all worried if he thinks you are going to forget to give him pounce (I have never forgotten). He will herd you to the container. The kitten assumes her pounce position... under the table.

My cat has a monkey on his back... and 95% of the time its amusing... the 5% it's irritating as all get out.

43,879 posted on 11/26/2002 11:45:32 AM PST by carton253
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To: Overtaxed
I have opted for a dysfunctional thanksgiving with a side order of guilt and a dollop of drama. Yum! Yum!
43,880 posted on 11/26/2002 11:46:22 AM PST by carton253
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