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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


TOPICS: Books/Literature; Chit/Chat; Poetry; TV/Movies; The Hobbit Hole
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To: Overtaxed
mmmmmmmm... pumpkin/cream cheese soup in a grahm cracker bowl... my favorite...
43,821 posted on 11/26/2002 5:47:56 AM PST by g'nad
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To: g'nad
grahm= graham...???
43,822 posted on 11/26/2002 5:49:25 AM PST by g'nad
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To: g'nad
Maybe if I wait 'em out they'll send the kids over to play with my brother's kids and they'll go out for sushi. Thanksgiving dinner can wait until the crap is done.

Isn't it my turn to be the tempermental artist?

43,823 posted on 11/26/2002 5:52:44 AM PST by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
Isn't it my turn to be the tempermental artist?

yer the responsible sibling... yer not allowed to be tempermental...

Thanksgiving dinner can wait until the crap is done.

why not serve crap for Thanksgiving dinner... you certainly seem to have an abundance... ;o)

43,824 posted on 11/26/2002 5:56:24 AM PST by g'nad
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To: g'nad
why not serve crap for Thanksgiving dinner... you certainly seem to have an abundance... ;o)

Hehehe...that'll learn 'em!

43,825 posted on 11/26/2002 5:57:33 AM PST by Overtaxed
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To: Sam Cree
I haven't caught up on posts yet, so I'll just respond as I scroll through.

I think the DSL problem in my area is that I am further west (147th Avenue and Miller). Maybe it's a simple matter of the cables not being laid in my neighborhood yet.

My cable company is AT&T Broadband and they were the first one I checked. They ask you to enter your address to verify that you can receive high speed internet service in your area and the answer in my case was "No, not yet."

43,826 posted on 11/26/2002 6:12:24 AM PST by RMDupree
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To: Overtaxed; g'nad; All
Morning all. Is it time to go home yet?

I will NOT feel guilty about not finishing my novel. I will NOT feel guilty about not finishing my novel. I will NOT.....

43,827 posted on 11/26/2002 6:13:14 AM PST by Corin Stormhands
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To: ItsOurTimeNow
Thanks for the 2 cents on DSL, Seamus.

I'm still catching up and hope to read a happy answer on that job interview by the time I get there!!!

43,828 posted on 11/26/2002 6:14:49 AM PST by RMDupree
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To: Corin Stormhands
I will NOT feel guilty about not finishing my novel. I will NOT feel guilty about not finishing my novel. I will NOT.....

I don't feel guilty in the least... course, I didn't commit to this insanity...

43,829 posted on 11/26/2002 6:17:08 AM PST by g'nad
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To: Rose in RoseBear; Bear_in_RoseBear
Thank you both for all of your help!!

It looks like Dell is ahead of the pack for many different reasons. My sister has offered to provide her technical support and will help me with the final decision.

She does, however, want to go to Best Buy with me and see if she can find something I can take home today. Sis is not afraid of buying an eMachine or other brand because of her ability to do the tech work for me.

We will see! I'm so excited! That means I can still visit the Hobbit Hole over the long weekend!

43,830 posted on 11/26/2002 6:23:24 AM PST by RMDupree
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To: g'nad; Overtaxed; RosieCotton; Sam Cree; JenB
course, I didn't commit to this insanity...

Yup, but when I did, I didn't know things would transpire like they had. I gave it a good effort. But I looked at it Sunday night and just don't have the heart to work on it anymore right now.

I won't abandon it. But I'm taking a break from it until after Christmas. Starting Friday night, and with the exception of Dec. 9-11, I'm in rehearsals or performances through December 15th.

My family needs attention. My house needs attention. My job needs attention.

My book can wait.

43,831 posted on 11/26/2002 6:24:20 AM PST by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
I will try to get it to 46000 words by tomorrow night so it will leave me with 2000 words per day on Friday and Saturday. BTW, it looks like we've got until midnight PST so I've got until 3:00 Sunday morning. Right now I'm at 40711 words.
43,832 posted on 11/26/2002 6:25:40 AM PST by Overtaxed
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To: ItsOurTimeNow
I worked for 3 different headhunter firms in the past. Personnel One (now Staffing Solutions), Girl Friday and Apogee Personnel.

I quit the field because I could not do all the hob-nobbing after my daughter (first one) was born. I needed to steady my hours and have a flat salary without worrying about commissions.

It's a great field though and nothing beats the feeling of finding the perfect match! I have two friends that are still working at the companies I placed them at over 6 years ago! ;)

43,833 posted on 11/26/2002 6:27:26 AM PST by RMDupree
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To: Corin Stormhands
My job needs attention

Blankety blank blank muscle matrix!

43,834 posted on 11/26/2002 6:27:43 AM PST by Overtaxed
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To: All
OK, I've caught up and have to get my out the e-mail for my boss in case he stops in.

Be back later.

43,835 posted on 11/26/2002 6:29:45 AM PST by RMDupree
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To: Overtaxed
I will try to get it to 46000 words by tomorrow night

I've only posted about 14,000 (I think, maybe less), but I'm up to 23,000. I'd have to pull some all-nighters to finish and I'm just not willing to do so.

I'll just sit back and cheer for you guys.

43,836 posted on 11/26/2002 6:31:38 AM PST by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands; RMDupree; g'nad; Overtaxed; RosieCotton; Sam Cree
Hullo! - Good Morning!

I am up! Been over readin' Maq's review he posted. [big grin]

I have to go to the feed store when they open this morning. Got a bad bale from them, and didn't know it till I opened it to feed last night (after the store was closed of course!). I had to scrape together enough good hay to feed them a light dinner last night, but going light on dinner is better than colic. Will exchange it this morning and give them a nice big breakfast, if later than usual. Hopefully they won't think I am a bad horse-parent.
43,837 posted on 11/26/2002 6:32:09 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Hopefully they won't think I am a bad horse-parent.

You're probably okay as long as you don't throw a towel over their heads and dangle them off a balcony...

43,838 posted on 11/26/2002 6:40:33 AM PST by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
Bay is too big to dangle off any balconies...

But he thinks I am starving him to death!
43,839 posted on 11/26/2002 6:46:13 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog; Corin Stormhands
But he thinks I am starving him to death!

the occaisional fast is good for the soul... course, that doesn't mean the horses ain't ticked at yuh...

43,840 posted on 11/26/2002 6:48:39 AM PST by g'nad
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