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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


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To: g'nad
Mixing drugs and alcohol?
43,721 posted on 11/25/2002 8:08:07 AM PST by Overtaxed
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To: g'nad
So THAT'S how Sauron got Gollum to talk!!
43,722 posted on 11/25/2002 8:08:48 AM PST by RMDupree
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To: ksen
I found this on a google search. There's a place in Indiana that offers a painless removal. Maybe this technology is available in Brevard Cty. (?) Worth looking into.

The kidney stone is removed by latest methodology which is shock wave lithography. This is a painless process , no anaesthesia is required for this treatment. And the best part is that you don't have to be hospitalised for this kidney stone removal.

43,723 posted on 11/25/2002 8:13:41 AM PST by RMDupree
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To: HairOfTheDog; carton253; g'nad; Overtaxed
Well this is my fourth stone. The other three passed without incidence. Although the last one took about two weeks to pass.

As long as the pain doesn't all of sudden increase and I start running a fever, everything will be fine.

I even think my last one may have been slightly bigger than this one.
43,724 posted on 11/25/2002 8:15:29 AM PST by ksen
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To: Overtaxed
Mixing drugs and alcohol?

I know, pretty dumb... but considering my state of mind, I saw it as a viable option... I'm still here, and I chalk it up to the fact the Good Lord loves fools and children...

43,725 posted on 11/25/2002 8:15:34 AM PST by g'nad
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To: RMDupree
So THAT'S how Sauron got Gollum to talk!!

All they'd have to do is show me that and look in the general direction of my groin and I'd be spiilin' my life history... I'd be askin' fer a typewriter... hec, they wouldn't be able to shut me up...

43,726 posted on 11/25/2002 8:18:02 AM PST by g'nad
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To: RMDupree
Yeah, the last time my urologist said the sonic therapy would be the next step. He would only use the method that shall remain nameless as a last resort.
43,727 posted on 11/25/2002 8:19:22 AM PST by ksen
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To: g'nad
Good Lord loves fools

Yeah, don't I know it! When I get home, I'll go see if there's anything chamomille tea can do to prevent stones. LOL!

43,728 posted on 11/25/2002 8:19:35 AM PST by Overtaxed
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To: HairOfTheDog; carton253; ksen; g'nad; Overtaxed
Good morning everyone! How was everyone's weekend?

Mine was very busy. I took the old plastic down from our screened-in porch and put new plastic up. I was able to use the drill to take the screws out that held the frame, but after stapling the new plastic up, I was unable to screw them back in...required more upper body strength than I had. So Steve came out and did that for me. It's lovely that with the current temp of 30 degrees, the boys can play with their toys out there with just a small space heater. It helps to have that little bit of extra space and on really sunny days that room can heat half the house! We do school out there when it's sunny!

Here is some pictures of what we did:



43,729 posted on 11/25/2002 8:27:35 AM PST by 2Jedismom
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To: 2Jedismom
Weekend was crap-filled. LOL. At least I'm coming down the homestretch with that NaNoWriMo thing.
43,730 posted on 11/25/2002 8:31:11 AM PST by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
Why you CRAP thread killer, you!! ;)
43,731 posted on 11/25/2002 9:08:55 AM PST by RMDupree
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To: RMDupree
Yeah....it really crapped out.
43,732 posted on 11/25/2002 9:10:01 AM PST by Overtaxed
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To: ksen
IMHO, sonic therapy should be standard.

Why have patients go through pain if a safe alternative is available?

43,733 posted on 11/25/2002 9:10:27 AM PST by RMDupree
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To: Overtaxed
What a nice surprise to see that I didn't funkle!
43,734 posted on 11/25/2002 9:11:06 AM PST by RMDupree
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To: RMDupree
Why have patients go through pain if a safe alternative is available?

So they'll have to buy pain killers?

I'd better watch myself. I might have to start working for the greedy drug companies next year.

43,735 posted on 11/25/2002 9:42:41 AM PST by Overtaxed
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To: g'nad
Stop it G'nad!! I'm cryin here I'm laughing so hard!!!
43,736 posted on 11/25/2002 10:00:17 AM PST by SuziQ
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To: HairOfTheDog; Bear_in_RoseBear; g'nad; 2Jedismom; carton253; Overtaxed; Sam Cree; ...
OK - as Hair already knows, I need a home computer in a bad way. The one I have at home is a glorified deck of cards since it has been cannabalized repeatedly by my sister and dad. It's only function now is my mom's nightly solitaire playing. It's too old (1996 / 1997) to be upgraded to the level I want.

Hubby just called and agreed that a PC would be our Christmas gift to each other, but he has left me in charge of finding the best deal.

Can you all give me a starting point? I really want to be able to burn my own CDs and watch DVDs - and hubby wants to be able to burn DVDs so we can use our MiniDV camcorder to create DVD home movies. I need to know what are the good brands, the right amount of memory, the best package deals, etc.

We don't care about flat screens or fancy gadgetry - just reliablity and customer care. Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

43,737 posted on 11/25/2002 10:45:08 AM PST by RMDupree
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To: RMDupree
I love my Dell... But I am no expert! I trust those here that are experts will respond, so I will just leave it with my happiness with the computer my "more expert" brother chose for me!
43,738 posted on 11/25/2002 10:55:36 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
I have a Dell here at work and I am pretty happy with it.

I'm hoping that everyone else that can will weigh in and give me some pointers on what to look for.

It's pretty scary since there are so many kinds of PCs out there - Gateway, eMachines, Hewlett Packard, etc. Don't want to buy into a nightmare - I'd never hear the end of it.

I am really excited though because Glen (the Mr.) has never even had an e-mail account in his life, let alone surfing the net at leisure. I shudder to think of the future wrestling matches over the PC - lol! He'll be on espn.com and I'll be jonesing for my Hobbit Hole fix!! ;)

43,739 posted on 11/25/2002 11:17:46 AM PST by RMDupree
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To: RMDupree
Of the bigger PC companies out there, I'm most satisfied with Dell. I finally convinced my company to switch to Dells while I was there - they are very good about support, the systems are pretty dependable, and as a techie I like the fact that if you end up restoring a system, the software included doesn't HAVE to wipe out everything - you can pick and choose. Among other things.

That said, I haven't dealt with the home user support folks, and I'm not sure if they're as good. I was very happy with their business support team.

43,740 posted on 11/25/2002 11:27:30 AM PST by RosieCotton
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