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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


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To: RMDupree
My little sister gets her eyebrows waxed, but I prefer my bangs long enough to hide eyebrows. ;-)
42,281 posted on 11/19/2002 8:14:28 AM PST by JenB
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To: HairOfTheDog
I'm thinkin' of things they can use that won't weigh them down...

small folding knives, pipes and tobacco, leathermen are great, small 1" paint brushes for weapon maintenance, glasses strap for sun glasses, small coleman stoves (not propane) or stove repair kits... anything with a sharp edge...

42,282 posted on 11/19/2002 8:16:55 AM PST by g'nad
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To: JenB
I'm weird I guess because I cannot stand having my hair in my face. I wasn't always like this, only after I had kids.

I haven't worn bangs in the longest time! Too much maintenance! My hair is all one length and I have it pulled back most of the time.

Besides, I can't have bangs long enough to cover my upper lip too! LOL!!! Must face the waxing demon every other month, like it or not. UGH!!

42,283 posted on 11/19/2002 8:18:02 AM PST by RMDupree
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To: HairOfTheDog
Oh, I'll admit she's beautiful, but she's still an elf. Besides I have been so turned by my own dark-haired beauty that I am now unturnable. ;^)

BTW, did you like the story about Dom's splinter? There were some very funny parts on disc 4.

"Viiiigooooo, if we tip over, save yourself!" ;^)
42,284 posted on 11/19/2002 8:18:51 AM PST by ksen
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To: ksen
Yeah - Dom's splinter story was funny! - And Viggo's story about the little guy. I was laughing out loud!

And Sam's cut foot! - Was that in that segment or some other? - He cut it pretty badly in the river scene at the end!
42,285 posted on 11/19/2002 8:22:32 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: RMDupree
I haven't had time to have my hair cut in three months. My bangs are long enough to cover my upper lip!
42,286 posted on 11/19/2002 8:23:03 AM PST by JenB
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To: ksen
The splinter!!! OUCH!! Poor guy. And everyone laughed at him when they saw how small it was.

Even worse was poor Sean when he got a piece of glass in his foot doing the scene where he (Sam) was running to catch Frodo in the boat!! Elijah was just standing there, fascinated by the blood and clots coming from the wound. They had to airlift Sean to the hospital. That was a pretty bad gash!!

After watching the appendices, I respect all of the actors so much more after seeing what they went through to get this film made.

42,287 posted on 11/19/2002 8:25:04 AM PST by RMDupree
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To: HairOfTheDog
And Sam's cut foot! - Was that in that segment or some other? - He cut it pretty badly in the river scene at the end!

I saw that part. Poor guy! Looked pretty bad.

Had to laugh at Elijah's reaction, though it almost wasn't funny...he was basically just watching and saying "Look at all that BLOOD! Whoa! Cool!" Poor Sean!

42,288 posted on 11/19/2002 8:26:27 AM PST by RosieCotton
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To: HairOfTheDog; RMDupree
Yeah. Sean's cut foot was in the scene describing Amon Hen. My wife almost threw up when they showed the medics pulling the glass out.

Sounded like Sean got razzed a bit for his "be safe" attitude. ;^)
42,289 posted on 11/19/2002 8:27:32 AM PST by ksen
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To: HairOfTheDog
LOL at Viggo's story!!

I also loved when they were talking about the fish that Viggo caught and how the stand-in was saying that he would have prepared it as curry (just like he prepared everything else!).

42,290 posted on 11/19/2002 8:27:39 AM PST by RMDupree
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To: RosieCotton
I want to watch it again. Where was that segment?
42,291 posted on 11/19/2002 8:27:59 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: RMDupree
Now, I must say that sorry that I'm late but I was out getting the hair ripped off my face with boiling hot wax. FUN!!!

Which begs the question...do hobbit lasses wax their feet?

42,292 posted on 11/19/2002 8:27:59 AM PST by RosieCotton
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To: HairOfTheDog
Dom cracks me up. I don't think they had as much of him in the other documentaries that came out before the film. I love all his imitations of the other actors on set - the part where he was talking about going out for dinner with Gimli, for example. And his impersonation of Sean Astin's double - the little Indian guy - playing chess. We had to watch that a couple of times - so funny!
42,293 posted on 11/19/2002 8:30:15 AM PST by RosieCotton
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To: RosieCotton
Which begs the question...do hobbit lasses wax their feet?

I imagine the model-types do. It can't hurt that bad as compared to the upper lip, that's for sure!

42,294 posted on 11/19/2002 8:30:23 AM PST by RMDupree
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To: RosieCotton
Uhh... Rosie, you're the only hobbit-lass here today! You tell us!
42,295 posted on 11/19/2002 8:31:10 AM PST by JenB
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To: HairOfTheDog
I want to watch it again. Where was that segment?

Couldn't tell you...it's my sister's set, and I don't have it to reference. :-( I WILL own it some day. Need!

42,296 posted on 11/19/2002 8:31:29 AM PST by RosieCotton
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To: RosieCotton
Dom is indeed hilarious!!

I agree with you that his impressions of the actors were fabulous!

42,297 posted on 11/19/2002 8:31:52 AM PST by RMDupree
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To: HairOfTheDog
Where was that segment?

It was near the end of "Cameras in Middle-Earth" on disc 4.

42,298 posted on 11/19/2002 8:32:34 AM PST by ksen
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To: JenB
Uhh... Rosie, you're the only hobbit-lass here today! You tell us!

Ahem.

42,299 posted on 11/19/2002 8:33:14 AM PST by RMDupree
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To: RMDupree
Ooops! Thought you were human?
42,300 posted on 11/19/2002 8:33:34 AM PST by JenB
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