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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

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To: RMDupree
"EntMoot: How I learn to stop griping and love the Hobbit Hole"
42,141 posted on 11/18/2002 8:04:57 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: rightwingreligiousfanatic
Awww... You are right! You are a spam free angel who gives me flowers. I feel all fuzzy now!
42,142 posted on 11/18/2002 8:06:42 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog; ksen; RMDupree
OH, he's a very friendly guy when he's not in a bad mood! That's what makes it so hard! He's a blast, I mean a hoot to be with and companionable.

You just never know when the rug is going to get jerked out from under you.

Then I feel foolish for having "fallen" for it.

I really hope he's chipper when we go to the party (both the line party and the moot). I don't want to go without him, really. And he seems motivated to go and enjoy himself.

The line party is indoors, by the way. You have to get on a list through TORN, then they let you in. We're having a big party in one of the party rooms inside, before the movie begins.
42,143 posted on 11/18/2002 8:07:02 AM PST by 2Jedismom
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To: 2Jedismom
Mine's the same. I call it a "funk" instead of a snit though. He just gets grouchy and grumpy and doesn't want to be snapped out of it until he's good and ready.

I'm betting on my excitement being contagious though. He won't be able to bring me down off of my cloud, that's for sure. I've almost convinced him to brave the crowds and go to the very first showing of TTT. :)

42,144 posted on 11/18/2002 8:19:11 AM PST by RMDupree
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To: 2Jedismom
Lord Of The Rings star John Rhys-Davies is in hospital after a stage wall fell on him during filming of his latest movie. The actor, who plays Dwarf Lord Gimli in the Tolkien film trilogy, was filming La Femme Musketeer in Croatia when the incident happened. He was taken to hospital suffering from head injuries and a broken forearm. The accident happened just hours after Rhys-Davies, 58, gave an interview in which he said he avoided all danger on set and insisted on having a stuntman for every action scene, however minor. The piece of scenery fell on him while on location at an old Castle in the western Croatian town of Pazin. A spokesperson for the Croatian co-production company Jadran-film said they were hoping the actor might be fit to return for some scenes in a few weeks time.
42,145 posted on 11/18/2002 8:26:17 AM PST by Paul Atreides
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To: HairOfTheDog; All
I liked them, but I am thinking "something TTT" now.

"The FRiders of FRohan"? LOL

42,146 posted on 11/18/2002 8:27:25 AM PST by ItsOurTimeNow
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To: RMDupree
The Hobbit Hole: The Road Goes Ever On...

Ooooh! I like that one the best! It gets my vote.

42,147 posted on 11/18/2002 8:31:40 AM PST by ItsOurTimeNow
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To: Sam Cree
Though I have heard of thunder in snowstorms

Ah yes, THUNDERSNOW! The first time I saw THAT phenomenon, I couldn't believe it! I saw the snow falling, saw a flash in the clouds, then heard thunder! Talk about cognitive dissonance!

42,148 posted on 11/18/2002 8:34:10 AM PST by SuziQ
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To: Overtaxed
Those lousy squirrels are too perky, though.

We've seen LOTS of squirrels out gathering acorns, etc, the last week or two. A number of them haven't made it across the roads! We wondered if the number running around might be a harbinger of a cold, snowy winter. We haven't had a BAD winter in a few years. Last year it hardly snowed at all, and the weather was fairly mild except for a few days of hard cold. Put all together, the extremely cold days probably didn't total up to two weeks! I'm not complaining, mind you!

42,149 posted on 11/18/2002 8:37:43 AM PST by SuziQ
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To: ksen
Hey ksen, on the Mon. after Thanksgiving, do you think we can meet for Second Breakfast about 9:30 or 10 am? I wanted to bring the kids along, and our dd has Anime Club at 2 and Watercolor Class at 3:30, so lunch would make it nigh on impossible to have any time to visit as well.
42,150 posted on 11/18/2002 8:40:35 AM PST by SuziQ
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To: 2Jedismom
"The Hobbit Hole III - Journey to the Crossroads."

I like that one too, Hair. It sounds as though the movie will end after Ithilien and Osgiliath, just before they make the long climb into Shelob's lair, so that title would be very appropriate.

42,151 posted on 11/18/2002 8:48:13 AM PST by SuziQ
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To: SuziQ; RosieCotton; Overtaxed
I've almost got all the soundtrack snippets downloaded from here. I'll let you know what I think here in a while.
42,152 posted on 11/18/2002 8:51:26 AM PST by 2Jedismom
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To: SuziQ
Last year it hardly snowed at all, and the weather was fairly mild except for a few days of hard cold

I believe the wooly worms are predicting a cold winter.

42,153 posted on 11/18/2002 8:54:49 AM PST by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
I believe the wooly worms are predicting a cold winter.

I've seen them in the past, but haven't seen any this year. I was thinking of checking the Farmer's Almanac.

42,154 posted on 11/18/2002 9:01:39 AM PST by SuziQ
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To: Overtaxed; maquiladora; HairOfTheDog; Corin Stormhands; All
Oh my goodness, fetch my medicine!! The music is fantastic!! Much better than those ones you sent from the radio station, Maq!!

We are in for a treat, my friends, with the soundtrack!!!

You should hear TREEBEARD!!!
42,155 posted on 11/18/2002 9:06:53 AM PST by 2Jedismom
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To: SuziQ
The early time may work out better. I need to find out what my Mother-in-Law's schedule is before I can commit to taking a trip to Fitchburg. If she took time off from work to spend time with us then I don't see how I can justify making the trip this time.

I'll find out and let you know for sure later this week.
42,156 posted on 11/18/2002 9:20:51 AM PST by ksen
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To: ksen; 2Jedismom; SuziQ; Corin Stormhands; rightwingreligiousfanatic; RosieCotton; Overtaxed; ...
Fellowship of the Ring – Special Extended Version…

The Prologue is sharper, crisper, and easier to see, as the battle scenes are lighter than they were in the theater. It is easier to hear what is being said. Gollum… “The Precioussses is lossttt stood out more in this version.

Then comes the movie. Could Peter Jackson improve on what I saw in the theater? He could just by giving us more… but the scenes inserted make the movie a brand new movie.

The opening scenes – Concerning Hobbits must have broken his heart to cut. The scenes of the Hobbits going about their daily life while Bilbo narrates were lyrical. Every word and every scene revealing these little peoples’ manner and lifestyle.

When Bilbo thinks he looses the rings shadows perfectly Gollum’s despair when he knows the Precious is lost. This forebodes the strength and power of the ring.

The conversation between Frodo and Gandalf lets us really know that Frodo suspects something. In the theatrical version, that part of the conversation is "understood".

I loved the additional party scene where Bilbo hides from the Sackville-Bagginses. It was perfect. I also enjoyed very much the additional few lines of dialogue where Bilbo tells Frodo good-bye before popping on the ring.

FRODO – Frodo’s character doesn’t change much in the additional footage except he is hi-lighted as the “ring-bearer”, a position given honor and respect. From the time the Fellowship sets off for Mordor onward, Frodo is given leadership role. Even Gandalf yields to his decision.

SAM – Sam’s character is fleshed out a lot more. Instead of just watching out for Mr. Frodo, you see Sam doing what he loves – with Rosie, with his plants. Watching the Elves. When he asks Galadriel for one of them daggers, he was so cute.

MERRY – In the book, Merry is wise. In the movie, without the scenes, the wisdom plays second fiddle to the “comic” role. In the added scenes, the strength and courage of Merry is brought more to the forefront.

PIPPIN – Is still on a lark. But, Galadriel says that he will find his courage, and with the additional scenes you can see that begin to happen.

The Hobbits were very shortchanged in the theatrical release. Their courage played second fiddle to the courage of the others. In the extended version, you have them playing an active role in their defense and in the defense of others. Especially in the last scene. In the original, Boromir defends them until after his death, where the Hobbits then launch an attack. In the SE, the hobbits are fighting along side Boromir. I like this change. It makes the Hobbits less “childlike” and more able to do for themselves.

The Others

LEGALOS – With the exception of Gandalf, the character of Legalos undergoes the least change. He is stalwart, brave, and an awesome fighter. The only thing that truly changes is he takes on more of his princely demeanor especially when he is in Lothlorien. Legalos is a prince after all. His fight scenes are more spectacular. Instead of doing the rapid, arrow shot that impressed me during the theatrical movie, it is now doubled. That’s fine with me.

GIMLI – His character has the most change. He seems to have been lost throughout the original. Here he is in all his personality. Thrilled to be at Moira, contemptuous of the elves, drawn, in spite of himself, to Galadriel. Honorable and courageous… he is the picture of the dwarves so vividly drawn in The Hobbit. Gimli reminds me of Thorin Oakenshield, not a bad role model.

Yes – and Thorin got a mention.

BOROMIR – I have always liked the character of Boromir. I have never thought him a weak man or an evil man. He is a man who wants to save his city, and thinks the ring is the weapon do that. He has no use for Aragorn because Aragorn has never lived up to his duty. That is why Boromir has joined the Fellowship… because as the next Steward of Gondor, he will see it done. I like to see the extended play between he and Aragorn. The natural enmity that Boromir has for this “King”. Boromir is able to do what no one else can do. Call Aragorn on his fears. With that scene, the motivation of Boromir’s grab for the ring makes sense. I wish this scene had never been cut. It is a necessary one for the understanding of Boromir’s later grab of the ring. He has never stopped seeing it as a weapon.

ARAGORN – When the new scenes were added, suddenly Aragorn was drawn as a more likeable guy. He may be reluctant to be king, but he is kingly in everything he does. I like the additional scenes of he with the Hobbits and especially with he and Gimli. These scenes give Aragorn more depth, more humor, more personality. I liked the Aragorn of the original movie. I like this Aragorn much better.

GALADRIEL – I never like this character. Either in the book or the movie. I find her not likeable. Until these new scenes. She is wise, warm (something that I never saw her as) and giving. The gift scene is a wonderful scene… and as Rightwingreligiousfanatic states: “That smile.”

CELEBORN – He has more to do… and takes his place as the King of Lothlorien.

GANDALF – Is the one who changes the least. He’s the same old Gandalf!

The additional Lothlorien scenes are my favorite. Humor, exposition, personalities all are revealed here.

I like the longer battle at the end, especially the addition of a fighting Merry and Pippin. The longer fight scene in Moira is nice, but I thought it dragged out a little too long. That’s personal opinion only.

When New Line called for cuts to short the running time, it must have hurt PJ to cut these scenes. These scenes are the heart of the movie. Don’t get me wrong… the movie I saw last year was phenomenal. I saw it 9 times in the theater. I can’t wait to see TTT. This movie those is far above what I saw in the theater. It is a different movie altogether. Much closer to the book. Much closer to the characters the Tolkien wrote. Is it December 18th yet?

42,157 posted on 11/18/2002 9:36:50 AM PST by carton253
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To: ItsOurTimeNow
Ping! to above post... I have the hardest time remembering your screen name... that's why you were left off the original ping.

It's hard getting old!

42,158 posted on 11/18/2002 9:39:18 AM PST by carton253
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To: carton253
Thanks for the in depth review. Can't wait to see it.
42,159 posted on 11/18/2002 9:49:45 AM PST by Sam Cree
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To: carton253
Thanks for your comments Smeagol.

I think I would not have been so sympathetic to Boromir if I had seen this cut first.

I also think PJ made Aragorn way too reluctant to be king. Especially in the scene at his mother's grave. PJ's Aragorn says that he doesn't desire, and in fact has never desired, to be king. That is not Tolkien's Aragorn.

However, in the context of the movie version, it is an Aragorn I can live with.

I also think that the added council footage helps people understand just how dire a threat the Ring and Sauron pose.
42,160 posted on 11/18/2002 10:00:14 AM PST by ksen
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