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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


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To: JenB
mine... jealous sneak....
40,501 posted on 11/11/2002 4:16:24 PM PST by g'nad
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To: RosieCotton
Why not?
40,502 posted on 11/11/2002 4:17:00 PM PST by RosieCotton
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To: RosieCotton
Hey, I have read that the stages of noveling are:

My Novel
My Great New Novel
My Interesting Novel
My Time-Consuming Novel
That Darn Thing
That Piece of Crap

and finally....
My Award-Winning Finished Novel, and Don't You Knock It.
40,503 posted on 11/11/2002 4:17:11 PM PST by JenB
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To: All
aahhhhh...my work here is done...
40,504 posted on 11/11/2002 4:17:25 PM PST by g'nad
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To: RosieCotton
Who was it here that said the working title of their book was "Crap I Have Written"?

Not me! I'm calling mine "Crap, The Novel."

40,505 posted on 11/11/2002 4:17:30 PM PST by Overtaxed
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To: JenB
A lot "fuzzier" than anyone else's if you have any idea what I mean. Kinda mystic.

Not knowing where the plot is going or having all the story history worked out probably accounts for the "fuzziness."

40,506 posted on 11/11/2002 4:19:16 PM PST by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
I'm better after revisions.

That's what I'm telling myself, even though I don't think I'll ever revise this thing. ;-) I think I've been trying too hard, and I'm going to try to just relax from now on and let the crap flow freely...

Ew...that doesn't really sound good, does it?

40,507 posted on 11/11/2002 4:19:40 PM PST by RosieCotton
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To: Overtaxed
Well, I have the same disability and I don't think I'm fuzzy... well, I know sort of where I'm going and maybe how to get part of the way there, but nothing more than that, really.
40,508 posted on 11/11/2002 4:22:13 PM PST by JenB
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To: Overtaxed
Not me! I'm calling mine "Crap, The Novel."

So I can claim "Crap I have Written"?

You know, I could swear I saw it in a movie, but I can't think of any where it would have fit. Maybe I saw another one in my dreams? ;-) I've had some weird ones lately. Considering this idea started as a dream, I'd say a name I dreamed up would be very appropriate...

40,509 posted on 11/11/2002 4:22:18 PM PST by RosieCotton
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To: RosieCotton
Ew...that doesn't really sound good, does it?

Ewwww....diarrhea!

The way it usually works for me is I write all or most of the ideas down and then go back and redo the whole story. But since the NaNoWriMo people aren't going to read it....

40,510 posted on 11/11/2002 4:23:15 PM PST by Overtaxed
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To: RosieCotton
I think I've been trying too hard, and I'm going to try to just relax from now on and let the crap flow freely...

Heh heh heh... way too easy...

40,511 posted on 11/11/2002 4:23:23 PM PST by g'nad
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To: JenB
I think I bypassed the "great new" and "interesting" stages. Now I'm somewhere between "That Darn Thing" and "That Piece of Crap"...
40,512 posted on 11/11/2002 4:23:38 PM PST by RosieCotton
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To: RosieCotton; JenB
Hehehe.....I just cut out the preliminaries and went straight to "That Piece of Crap."
40,513 posted on 11/11/2002 4:25:41 PM PST by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
On the bright side...does that mean we're ahead?
40,514 posted on 11/11/2002 4:27:23 PM PST by RosieCotton
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To: RosieCotton
I'm enjoying myself. Of course my characters haunt me at night and threaten me with death, dismemberment, or a general strike, so.... and I thought I'd gotten away from that by changing my main character from my usual to a guy!
40,515 posted on 11/11/2002 4:28:07 PM PST by JenB
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To: JenB
Well...according to my brothers, all my characters are girly men, so I guess I'm safe. :-/
40,516 posted on 11/11/2002 4:32:02 PM PST by RosieCotton
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To: RosieCotton
I'm sure mine are too. I know I'm better with women, but not that much better because I don't understand women either. I guess I'm really good at writing sarcastic and bitter people who are secretly idealistic dreamers.
40,517 posted on 11/11/2002 4:35:45 PM PST by JenB
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To: JenB
I'm going to take a shower, then I'll check into the chat...see if anyone is there. I'll send out an email too.
40,518 posted on 11/11/2002 4:38:29 PM PST by 2Jedismom
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To: JenB
I've spent most of my adult life working with pretty much just men, and I like it that way. But apparently I still can't portray them realistically.

I know they're right to an extent, but my youngest brother (who can barely SPELL "man" - he's a terrible writer!) was taking every single thing that every single guy said in the story and saying "That sentence is said the way YOU would say it, not the way a GUY would say it"...I wanted to say "WHICH guy? You?"

40,519 posted on 11/11/2002 4:39:53 PM PST by RosieCotton
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To: 2Jedismom; JenB
OK, I'll come back and check the chat in twenty minutes or so. Going to go heat up some soup and write more crap! I'm up to yesterday's quota and starting on today...maybe by tomorrow I can catch up again.
40,520 posted on 11/11/2002 4:41:33 PM PST by RosieCotton
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