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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


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To: ksen
Pubbie victory sneak...
39,201 posted on 11/06/2002 5:37:13 AM PST by ksen
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To: ksen
< resume conversation >
39,202 posted on 11/06/2002 5:38:05 AM PST by ksen
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To: ksen
I wonder if the Democrats bottling up nominations is one of the things that hurt them?
39,203 posted on 11/06/2002 5:38:29 AM PST by Sam Cree
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To: Sam Cree
Cockfighting's kind of a Southern tradition isn't it?

Not in polite society. :) Anyway, it was on Oklahoma's ballot.

39,204 posted on 11/06/2002 5:39:42 AM PST by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
Oh. Well I hope they approve it, just to see how the pita folks would react.
39,205 posted on 11/06/2002 5:42:27 AM PST by Sam Cree
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To: Sam Cree; Overtaxed; RMDupree; ItsOurTimeNow
I wonder if the Democrats bottling up nominations is one of the things that hurt them?

I think their general tone defeated them. They are not a happy party to be around.

I also wonder how much the Wellstone "memorial" affected the races.

I can't believe most of our proposed amendments passed. How in the world can Jeb get over 56% of the vote and then have constitutional amendments like "Protecting pregnant pigs", "Statewide Kindergarten for 4-year olds", and "Smaller class sizes" pass? You know that the 4-year old kindergarten will eventually become mandatory, things like that always do.

I think I realize now why the pubbies seem to be such a schizo party every now and then. It's the voters fault. We vote in our "conservative" candidates and then when we have the chance we help pass the most liberal of proposals.

39,206 posted on 11/06/2002 5:51:45 AM PST by ksen
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To: ksen
"I also wonder how much the Wellstone "memorial" affected the races."

Good point. That whole Wellstone thing really shocked me, I couldn't believe it was happening in America, reminded me of a Hitler rally. Others must have felt the same.

"I can't believe most of our proposed amendments passed."

I usually vote against amendments just on principle, they usually end up adding to bureaucracy and augmenting the power of authority.

But I am firmly convinced that we would have used our "democracy" to vote all our rights away a long time ago, if it were not for our Constitution. Of course the Democrats do their best to ignore the Constitution and appoint judges who will "interpret" it differently on every occasion.

39,207 posted on 11/06/2002 6:09:00 AM PST by Sam Cree
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To: ksen
Speaking of statewide kindergarten and smaller class sizes......

In Wake County (one county away from me) 5 of 7 County Comissioners will be Republican. Wake County has to have one of (if not the most) greedy school boards in the state. I expect (hope) we'll be seeing some upset school board people when the budget battles start. :D

39,208 posted on 11/06/2002 6:18:20 AM PST by Overtaxed
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To: Sam Cree
I usually vote against amendments just on principle, they usually end up adding to bureaucracy and augmenting the power of authority.

That’s why I can’t believe they passed. Jeb got over 56% of the vote. So you would think that over 56% of those who voted would be, generally, of like mind with us, but that was not the case.

When a CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT to protect pregnant pigs passes in an election where the R’s win big, something is very wrong with our voters.

I wonder if most R’s these days are fiscal conservatives but social liberals. They like the idea of government being involved in aspect of our lives, but they don’t want to pay for it.

39,209 posted on 11/06/2002 6:23:10 AM PST by ksen
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To: HairOfTheDog
Hullo Sauron! Welcome to the Hobbit Hole!

I came over because I was hearing the Nine Riders were making a mess. Sorry about the horse poop by the entrance.

39,210 posted on 11/06/2002 6:34:34 AM PST by SauronOfMordor
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To: Overtaxed
Good morning! The cockfighting ban passed...but get this...it is speculated that the rural people came out in DROVES and tried to defeat the ban and they also voted for Henry, the democrat!
39,211 posted on 11/06/2002 6:40:02 AM PST by 2Jedismom
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To: ksen; HairOfTheDog; Overtaxed; Sam Cree; ItsOurTimeNow; JenB; Bear_in_RoseBear; g'nad; 2Jedismom; ..
Morning all! (ksen, make sure you're listening to Glenn Beck this morning...he's singing for Babs "Memories...of when I was important...")

Stayed up until about 3:00 a.m. thinking Fox was going to call South Dakota, which is still the one too close to call right?

Katie Colic was NOT happy this a.m. NBC wasn't calling Minnesota, but most others have.

Wake me when the next campaign starts.........huh? snort....what do you mean we've already started?

39,212 posted on 11/06/2002 6:48:28 AM PST by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
It's making me kind of happy this morning, imagining Barbra Streisand's feelings and what she might be thinking. >:-)
39,213 posted on 11/06/2002 6:54:58 AM PST by Sam Cree
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To: SauronOfMordor
I came over because I was hearing the Nine Riders were making a mess. Sorry about the horse poop by the entrance.

I appreciate that gentle Dark Lord. Horse poop I can manage... It was the sniffing that really creeped us out.

39,214 posted on 11/06/2002 6:57:05 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: ksen
I'll only be in NH for a week, think there is a chance that we could take a day and meet?

That would be fun! Y'all are up here until the 4th? Sometime during the weekend after Thanksgiving would be good! Let me know what your schedule up here will be. We have nothing planned. Our #2 son isn't coming home for T'giving because he has three big projects due at the end of the semester, and he'll be coming on on Dec. 18th for Christmas anyway, just in time for the TTT premier!!!

Maybe we could convince Rosie to come to 'Deep South' NH, too!

39,215 posted on 11/06/2002 6:57:53 AM PST by SuziQ
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To: Corin Stormhands
Glad you're up and about Master Dwarf. How's the little ones and the missus doing today?

Thanks for the reminder about Beck. I forgot to put him on. I'll have him on at the start of his second hour, about 6 minutes from now. I need to get into the habit of turning his station on.

Let's see: Turn radio on, music til 8:30, Chuck Swindoll til 9:00, Glenn Beck til 12:00, Rush til 3:00, local talk til 5:00, go home.

Ok, I think I got it now.

Think there are a few shocked Pubbies and Dims in MD today? ;^)
39,216 posted on 11/06/2002 6:59:29 AM PST by ksen
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To: ksen
"something is very wrong with our voters."

I think the voters are gradually moving to the "French Tradition," that is the tradition of egalitarianism and socialism. I think they are starting to think socialism is an American tradition.

39,217 posted on 11/06/2002 7:00:39 AM PST by Sam Cree
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To: ksen
How's the little ones and the missus doing today?

Wife and little one are doing well and taking their antibiotics. Jr. and his friends cleaned out the rest of the Halloween candy (I'm guessing 4-5 pounds of chocolate...and no we didn't say it was okay) yesterday since there was no school. Dog got his predinizone shot...

Life goes on. It's just a little more fun this a.m.

39,218 posted on 11/06/2002 7:04:00 AM PST by Corin Stormhands
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To: Sam Cree
The whole genre seems to have an air of falseness about it to me, even if alot of the tunes are nice.

LOL! You're right, Sam. Some of it is a little overwrought with the upper middle class singers going on about how tough life is! But yes, some of the music is really good. We like Garnet Rogers, a Canadian, and brother of the late Stan Rogers. The man plays a MEAN fiddle, and has a lovely rich baritone. We've seen him twice in concert in Worcester.

The Folk Music show on WHYY in Philly is what introduced us to Celtic music, and that's the majority of what we consider 'folk' music that we really like. We went to a concert in the town next door once to see Tommy Makem. Tommy Sands (not the IRA terrorist with the same name) opened the show, and now he is a popular singer in his own right! But that concert was fun because we were there with a couple who had recently moved to the US from Ireland, and it turned out that the husband was from the same county as Tommy Makem! The two of them started talking after the show, and it was hilarious, because the more they talked the THICKER that brogue got and we could hardly understand them! We ended up going to the couples' apt. with the man who ran the folk club and Tommy Sands and sat up talking religion and politics til 5 in the morning! It was a fun night!

Sir SuziQ and I certainly DO NOT share the politics of most 'folkies'; I'm sure we'd get strange looks if we drove up to a folk club with our Bush/Cheney bumpersticker!

Doesn't Brother, Where art thou get into this a little. I've heard it's an OK movie.

It was a FUN movie! The music is Bluegrass/Old Timey, which is covered under the folk title when folk music radio shows are played. I've enjoyed Bluegrass since college, long before I ever started listening to 'folk shows', though I enjoyed folk music from the 'folk scare' of the 60s such as that done by Dylan, Baez, and Joni Mitchell to name the more popular folks.

39,219 posted on 11/06/2002 7:14:12 AM PST by SuziQ
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To: SuziQ; Sam Cree; Corin Stormhands; 2Jedismom; ksen; Overtaxed; ItsOurTimeNow; ecurbh; ...
Good morning! - I wish I had slept-in more than I did!

What a good day! - I hope this vote give Republicans the inspiration to speak out and do something. Have a real plan, and the people will follow!

DU is a riot this morning. I got banned finally. Their mods must have been too busy to find me before.

The local vote here went well on the important issues. The 9 cents/gallon gas tax referendum that promised to start-a-bunch-of-transportation-projects-and-find-money-to-finish-them-later went down. Duh! That was a no-brainer, They spend $4 MILLION dollars to try to pass it, and it took about $150 to defeat it.

OK! - Hullo! - Good Morning!
39,220 posted on 11/06/2002 7:20:14 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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