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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


TOPICS: Books/Literature; Chit/Chat; Poetry; TV/Movies; The Hobbit Hole
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To: carton253
Right. I'll only need the hot pokers if I meet Scarlet. Got that.
39,061 posted on 11/05/2002 8:47:48 AM PST by JenB
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To: JenB
No, Rhett always said a good buggy whipping is what she needed. I agree with that. Now, I will admit the older I get, the more Scarlett gets on my nerves and the more Ashley grows on me. I used never to like Ashley. My word... you lost the war, get on with life, until I had the same kind of life altering disaster happen in my life. Then I knew why Ashley had such a hard time moving on. I understood all his fear about being winnowed out and his talk about the dusks of the gods, etc. Understood it perfectly.
39,062 posted on 11/05/2002 8:51:44 AM PST by carton253
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To: ksen; 2Jedismom
I know you listen to Glenn Beck, did you just hear that caller from Miami-Dade County?

You do know he's (Beck) is pulling your leg don't you? (please tell me that you do...)

Still, I think he's probably not that far off base.

39,063 posted on 11/05/2002 8:52:09 AM PST by Corin Stormhands
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To: RosieCotton; carton253
But as it is...I can't see anyone falling for Ashley. Too much of a namby pamby type.

He wasn't so poofy in the book...

39,064 posted on 11/05/2002 8:53:54 AM PST by Corin Stormhands
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To: carton253
Ashley's a pathetic twit, Melanie's spineless, Rhett's annoying - I think he's in the wrong book, actually, - and Scarlett should be left to starve in the snow. Or something. Other than the characters and the plot, it was a good book.

Now, moving on - who gets to have a nice election day where the Republican will win?
39,065 posted on 11/05/2002 8:56:03 AM PST by JenB
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To: ksen
"You're Top Gun in my book Rosie. Call me....

Eeeeeeyuuuck! Thanks a LOT! Now I gotta see THAT every time I refresh the screen until we make it to the next precious???


39,066 posted on 11/05/2002 8:57:08 AM PST by RosieCotton
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To: JenB
I hope it's me! We're going to a watch party tonight, so I have to make sure our best clothes are cleaned and pressed. Cockfighting is being voted on this time. Whether or not to make it illegal. A felony at that!
39,067 posted on 11/05/2002 8:59:35 AM PST by 2Jedismom
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To: JenB; RosieCotton; carton253; HairOfTheDog
Don't read that book! It's horrible! It sucks! It was the worst book I have ever read...

Oh, stop being such a yankee...

There are books that every "literate" person should read. I'm slowly working my way through them (and wish I had a better list). But GWTW is one that should be read.

I still need to read "From Here to Eternity."

39,068 posted on 11/05/2002 8:59:42 AM PST by Corin Stormhands
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To: JenB
No more preciouses for you... LOL!
39,069 posted on 11/05/2002 9:03:43 AM PST by carton253
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To: Corin Stormhands
You do know he's (Beck) is pulling your leg don't you? (please tell me that you do...)

Yes, I knew he was joking around. He had me in tears.

Then the guy calls back from GA, MN & TX complaining people are yelling the N-word at him when he tries to vote Dem and then gets beaten with a BLACK bat. ;^)

39,070 posted on 11/05/2002 9:04:09 AM PST by ksen
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To: Corin Stormhands
Caller: "Every time I tried to vote Kirk it came out Cornyn."

Beck: "So you're a big Kirk supporter?"

Caller: "Yes I am."

Beck: "Ok, if you're such a big Kirk supporter, what's his first name?"

Caller: ".........................uh...........Captain?"

Beck: "Good-bye."

That was classic. I've only just started listening to Beck. I think I am going to continue. His bits are hilarious.
39,071 posted on 11/05/2002 9:08:23 AM PST by ksen
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To: Corin Stormhands
*Sniff* Well, I am a Yankee - in the tradition of "Yankee Doodle", thank you very much.

And I'm also very literate, but I don't really like most classic works. Oh, Jane Austen, Charles Dickens, Shakespeare, Tolkien, Lewis, Chaucer... hmm, there's something I notice about this list. My fun-reading books are more American, though; I would put certain writers on the classics list who are not on there because they haven't been dead long enough and also wrote SF.

Besides, Marcel Proust is one of those writers I've seen on the "be literate and read this" lists. So those lists are flawed. The only thing one should read to be literate is Lord of the Rings. Hey! Why don't we start a thread about that!

39,072 posted on 11/05/2002 9:08:41 AM PST by JenB
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To: carton253
It wasn't meant as advice...just encouragement ;^)

Is Netanyahu going to accept Sharon's offer?

39,073 posted on 11/05/2002 9:12:41 AM PST by rightwingreligiousfanatic
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To: ksen
complaining people are yelling the N-word at him when he tries to vote...

I learned a new word this weekend. Apparently if you're a white kid that dresses like a black kid you're a "W*****" (the N-word with a W)...

39,074 posted on 11/05/2002 9:12:44 AM PST by Corin Stormhands
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To: JenB
The only thing one should read to be literate is Lord of the Rings. Hey! Why don't we start a thread about that!

Is that a book? Is it any good? If it's good, maybe they'll make a movie (or three) out of it. :^\

39,075 posted on 11/05/2002 9:16:07 AM PST by ksen
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To: JenB
Well, I am a Yankee - in the tradition of "Yankee Doodle", thank you very much.

But if it hadn't been for us Virginians, y'all would still be speakin' English...okay enough of that.

I know you're well read. Much better than most of today's college age crowd. I'm really okay that you don't like GWTW. But I still think that culturally one needs to have read it. If nothing else for a understanding of southern culture and the mindset of the time. Same reason everyone needs to read Huckleberry Finn (even with "that word" in it).

39,076 posted on 11/05/2002 9:16:38 AM PST by Corin Stormhands
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To: ksen
Is he online? He sounds hysterical!
39,077 posted on 11/05/2002 9:22:49 AM PST by 2Jedismom
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To: rightwingreligiousfanatic
Yes, Netanyahu did accept Sharon's offer because Sharon agreed to the conditions. In February, new elections will be held. Hopefully, Bibi will win... and Israel will have a warrior in the office who will stop the terror.
39,078 posted on 11/05/2002 9:24:56 AM PST by carton253
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To: Corin Stormhands; JenB
Corin.... Jen played her cards when she dissed anything romantic.

The loves I loved most so far in my life were horribly flawed, as all of us are when we look real close. Selfish, vulnerable, charming, and childish, but they rocked my world and made it blurry and wonderful.

I for one am a sucker for romance!

39,079 posted on 11/05/2002 9:44:00 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: 2Jedismom
39078 posts...when does the watch start for the coveted Quadruple Precious?

Someone better get some coffee brewing.
39,080 posted on 11/05/2002 9:45:15 AM PST by ItsOurTimeNow
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