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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


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To: Mercat
Heh!.... I didn't see Harry Potter.... Do they look alike?
38,921 posted on 11/04/2002 5:46:02 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: JenB
No editing yet!

Hehe, as soon as I posted, I knew I should have put an "eventually" somewhere in my post.

As in, Rose will be doing the editing for me, eventually!

38,922 posted on 11/04/2002 5:49:44 PM PST by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
Fair division of labor, that!
38,923 posted on 11/04/2002 5:50:31 PM PST by JenB
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To: JenB; All
And now, for the moment you've been waiting for, no doubt, all day!

Thanks, Jen! I'm still catching up (both on reading your story and on writing mine!), but I'm enjoying it so far.

Clare finally went to bed. Took me forever to finish her introduction and I'm kinda sick of her. Now I have to write Justin, which should be a lot more fun. He's a studio musician in Nashville and doesn't have a death in his past. Woo-hoo! I shouldn't have had two characters with tragic histories, but really one was more bittersweet than tragic so I thought I could get away with it. My sister tells me it's stupid, though. Oh well...too late!

I am so behind here at the Hole! It's hard to keep up when I'm not at a computer much of the day. I applied for the job I told some of you about, and I'm half hoping I get offered it and half hoping they never contact me. I think I'd enjoy the job, but there is a definite beaurocracy there, which bugs me. For example, I submitted my letter of application and all that in the personnel office, and they told me they would bring it before the "search committee", which immediately sets sirens blaring in my mind. I detest committees! I shouldn't be so opinionated, I guess...

38,924 posted on 11/04/2002 5:51:04 PM PST by RosieCotton
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To: RosieCotton
Well, best of luck on both the writing and the real life stuff. I will be glad to read more as soon as you post it!

Incidentally, if anyone has any comments about my story I'd love to hear them.
38,925 posted on 11/04/2002 5:55:07 PM PST by JenB
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To: JenB; Overtaxed; Bear_in_RoseBear; Corin Stormhands; All
OK! Here is the next part of my story.

Up to 5100 words now, which is about 1500 behind schedule, if I remember right. I am most impressed with Jen's writing speed! Hopefully tomorrow I can catch up. The next character should be more fun than the first two to write. I like him. Now, anyway. ;-) I may be sick of him by the end of tomorrow!

38,926 posted on 11/04/2002 6:06:59 PM PST by RosieCotton
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To: JenB
Skimming through your part 4 now. I'm loving the conversation between Gil and Starren...mixing programming concepts with magic spells is not something that has every occured to me...
38,927 posted on 11/04/2002 6:11:17 PM PST by RosieCotton
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To: JenB
Incidentally, if anyone has any comments about my story I'd love to hear them.

I just read part 4, I'm enjoying it a lot! I have a lot of questions, but I'll wait, as anything I'd ask at this point would probably be answered in the next installment.

You do realize that you're over 1/5 of the way to the grand total? Do you think your story will go over 50k words?

38,928 posted on 11/04/2002 6:13:56 PM PST by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
Quite possibly! I often start burning out in the last quarter of a story, though.

Oh, and I'm not too sure I will answer all the questions. I may just send them along merrily to the next universe.
38,929 posted on 11/04/2002 6:24:34 PM PST by JenB
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To: HairOfTheDog
I gotta go!
38,930 posted on 11/04/2002 6:41:58 PM PST by 2Jedismom
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To: RosieCotton
I like it, Rosie! You're only a little behind, you'll be on target in no time at all!
38,931 posted on 11/04/2002 6:45:05 PM PST by JenB
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To: 2Jedismom
Oh man! - I just FReepmailed you a mind-bender!
38,932 posted on 11/04/2002 6:56:06 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: ksen
Dum-de-dum-dum.....

Nice snaig dummy, er dummer, er.....oh nevermind...

38,933 posted on 11/04/2002 7:05:31 PM PST by Corin Stormhands
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To: HairOfTheDog
I'm getting ready for bed... busy day tomorrow, I have to arrange for my independent study next semester, and it's Election Day. My first election, actually; I wish it was interesting or that the Republican had a snowball's chance of winning, but hey, I'm a civic-minded person...
38,934 posted on 11/04/2002 7:06:33 PM PST by JenB
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To: JenB; Overtaxed; Bear_in_RoseBear; RosieCotton
Good work Jen. Keep it up. You're like our pace car...

Sub-plot, I need a sub-plot...

38,935 posted on 11/04/2002 7:08:27 PM PST by Corin Stormhands
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To: JenB
Good night, Jen! I'm finally caught up on your story. Can't wait to see how all these people link up between universes!
38,936 posted on 11/04/2002 7:09:45 PM PST by RosieCotton
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To: JenB
Have fun voting tomorrow anyway. No Rebublican can win there? - What about the sherrif? I am in a pretty liberal area, and yet our long time sherrif is a republican!
38,937 posted on 11/04/2002 7:11:35 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: RosieCotton
Yes, well, me too :-) Unfortunately I must force myself to abandon the rather fascinating Empress and her people... she's really grown on me, she has a whole history worked out that you wouldn't believe, but most of it won't come through. Still, I'm glad I had this section. I got out some important information and established one of my "themes" - that my characters are mostly just 'dropping in' on people who have their own concerns and problems. They aren't there to be the saviors, they're just people who get caught in the middle
38,938 posted on 11/04/2002 7:13:16 PM PST by JenB
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To: RosieCotton
Here is the next part of my story.

OK, I'm caught up on your story, and I'm liking it! Both characters are tragic in different ways, and the mystery of the stones is growing. And Toby is cute!

I only have one question... did I miss part 3, or did you? ;)

38,939 posted on 11/04/2002 7:14:08 PM PST by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: HairOfTheDog
I mean the main race - Governor. I get to vote for Congress, Melissa Hart's our Rep and she's conservative Republican, so that's good at least. But we're going to be stuck with a tax-raising liberal @$#* for four years, at least...
38,940 posted on 11/04/2002 7:14:41 PM PST by JenB
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