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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


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To: Corin Stormhands
No, jams the long, bright colored, wild patterned shorts.

Were they like shorter versions of "parachute pants"?

Actually, I know what you mean. I'm just trying not to picture them.

Not like the stupidly baggy pants some of the boys wear now are much better.

38,521 posted on 11/01/2002 11:20:18 AM PST by RosieCotton
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To: Corin Stormhands; Overtaxed
Here's the the Jams like I had:

Jams must have been the brand name.

38,522 posted on 11/01/2002 11:27:19 AM PST by 2Jedismom
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To: Corin Stormhands
Am I describing them right OT?

Dunno....I thought you were talking about pajamas.

38,523 posted on 11/01/2002 11:31:48 AM PST by Overtaxed
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To: Corin Stormhands; Overtaxed
Oops! Those are VANS! Hey, it's been over 20 years ago.
38,524 posted on 11/01/2002 11:32:26 AM PST by 2Jedismom
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To: RosieCotton
Was that how come he had to kill 'im?

Not exactly. They "both" work for think tanks in DC. One is a starched white shirt conservative, the other is a granola munching liberal. He travels back and forth between both realities via the file folder.* "Both" are working on a huge national issue. Everything is fine until both are invited to appear together on Larry King live. He panics and (thinks he) has no choice but to kill off one of the personalities. Then he's arrested for the murder, but there's no body.

He's not completely in this alone and there is a way he can communicate with "them" (I don't know who "them" is yet, or how he communicates), but he doesn't hear from them and panics, taking matters into his own hands. Then they cut him off...or so he thinks.

I'm thinking the final chapter is him in the jail cell waiting for trial. His lawyer shows up (actually a "new" lawyer he doesn't recognize). The lawyer says "you need to review this file,"...then we get to "Episode II." It's sort of a Quantum Leap type thing, but with a few different twists...

* Working title: One Flew Over the Conservatives' Nest: Episode I of The Tessaract Files

38,525 posted on 11/01/2002 11:39:00 AM PST by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
Everything is fine until both are invited to appear together on Larry King live. He panics and (thinks he) has no choice but to kill off one of the personalities.

So he's beside himself.

Sorry....I couldn't resist.:)

38,526 posted on 11/01/2002 11:43:44 AM PST by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
So he's beside himself.


38,527 posted on 11/01/2002 11:52:24 AM PST by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
You are describing them right.
38,528 posted on 11/01/2002 12:23:26 PM PST by carton253
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To: carton253
Smeagol is a wealth of information!
38,529 posted on 11/01/2002 12:36:08 PM PST by Corin Stormhands
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To: 2Jedismom
Love the striped socks, too. Nice touch.
38,530 posted on 11/01/2002 12:43:16 PM PST by RosieCotton
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To: RMDupree
I'll fry up some good ol' Jimmy Dean sausage too.

Hey, I just got some of that at the grocery store!!Sir SuziQ and I are going away to Newport for the night and tomorrow, but Sunday morning we're gonna have strawberry pancakes and JIMMY DEAN sausage! Yum Yum!

38,531 posted on 11/01/2002 12:44:32 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: Overtaxed; Corin Stormhands
I don't think I could bring myself to write about Larry King. For one thing, it might require research (i.e. actually watching the show). You're braver than I, Corin.

I'm tired of writing already, I hate my story, and I hate my characters. Only 29 days to go! Maybe I'll feel better about them by then. Maybe I can force 'em into submission, for one.

38,532 posted on 11/01/2002 12:47:31 PM PST by RosieCotton
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To: RosieCotton
LOL Those aren't mine, though...I had mine when I was in high school, probably 23 years ago. And we didn't wear socks in them...just bare feet.
38,533 posted on 11/01/2002 12:47:34 PM PST by 2Jedismom
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To: RosieCotton; Overtaxed
I don't think I could bring myself to write about Larry King.

Well, it may not end up being Larry King, but a national "news" show of some sort. I don't see the host actually playing into the action. The crisis is that "both" are invited to appear at the same time.

38,534 posted on 11/01/2002 12:49:18 PM PST by Corin Stormhands
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To: 2Jedismom
LOL Those aren't mine, though...

Yeah, I know...just thought it was funny!

It is NASTY out there! Sleeting and cold. Yuck.

Guess it's really November!

38,535 posted on 11/01/2002 12:49:26 PM PST by RosieCotton
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To: g'nad
... btw, he's a much better grandpa than he is a father...

Strange how that happens sometimes! Good for you for standing up for the missus!

38,536 posted on 11/01/2002 12:49:57 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: Corin Stormhands
The crisis is that "both" are invited to appear at the same time.

OK, gotcha.

I still have to think of something for my Boromir guy to want to do. Needs to be something that he thinks will help himself and his family, but that would affect a greater number of people for bad. So he's not doing it out of malice but out of...well...kinda hard headed stupidity. My little brother suggested having him put some small research company out of business in the process of not going out of business himself, but that research company was about to come up with a cure for something or some other swell scientific breakthrough. Guess that might work. As long as it's good for a couple thousand words, who cares, right?

38,537 posted on 11/01/2002 12:53:04 PM PST by RosieCotton
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To: Corin Stormhands
Yes... and Smeagol is mocked in college for all the useful and useless stuff that I have collected in my brain over life. Smeagol can't help it if Smeagol has excellent retention... (now if I could just have that in math)
38,538 posted on 11/01/2002 12:54:26 PM PST by carton253
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To: RosieCotton
Or he could work to bring a mega-company to town and put the small owners out of business...
38,539 posted on 11/01/2002 12:58:24 PM PST by Corin Stormhands
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To: carton253
Smeagol is mocked in college for all the useful and useless stuff that I have collected in my brain over life...

Sometimes laughter is the only defense mechanism idjits have. 'Specially when they don't understand what's going on.

38,540 posted on 11/01/2002 12:59:53 PM PST by Corin Stormhands
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