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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


TOPICS: Books/Literature; Chit/Chat; Poetry; TV/Movies; The Hobbit Hole
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To: carton253
Good luck on your project Smeag. I know what it is like to be under a school deadline...not fun.
37,961 posted on 10/31/2002 8:04:42 AM PST by ksen
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To: Sam Cree; Overtaxed
Their tactics were amazingly similar to what the Democrats have been doing since Clinton...

That's right. Tell a lie long enough and people will eventually believe it.

37,962 posted on 10/31/2002 8:07:30 AM PST by Corin Stormhands
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To: Overtaxed; RosieCotton; JenB
Are you staying up to midnight to write "It was a dark and stormy night" at 12:01?

I'm thinking I might. I'll probably be wired up on Halloween candy anyway...

37,963 posted on 10/31/2002 8:08:54 AM PST by Corin Stormhands
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To: HairOfTheDog; Corin Stormhands; ksen; Overtaxed; rightwingreligiousfanatic; Bear_in_RoseBear; ...
Hey all... found my deer in about 20 minutes... he only went 60 yds... wuz holed up in a pine thicket down the finger a ways... critters got to him, but I saved the backstraps, both shoulders and a ham... since the critters got to it, the wardens didn't make me give up a tag... woohoo!!!

Thanks fer the prayers, gotta meet the OCF (Officers Christian Fellowship) Lead for lunch at the O'club... shhhhhhh..... I'm gonna try and sneak back out this afternoon...

37,964 posted on 10/31/2002 8:10:50 AM PST by g'nad
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To: RosieCotton
does it start at midnight Pacific or midnight wherever you happen to be?

I don't think they specified, did they?

37,965 posted on 10/31/2002 8:10:55 AM PST by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
I'll have to see what TCM is showing tonight. If there's nothing good, I might pop Nosferatu in the player.
37,966 posted on 10/31/2002 8:10:56 AM PST by Overtaxed
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To: ksen
I rarely even get near the computer when he is home. Maybe to check my email but if he's home, I only do that very briefly. Which is what started this. He was watching baseball playoffs Sunday, so I took the opportunity to check out the Hole and he got really mad at me, giving me the silent treatment. Despite the fact that he had barely spoken to me for hours because he was watching "the game".

But it's not just the computer. He get's mad if I read in front of him. I sure can't play my whistle anywhere near him. I can't talk on the phone too long. So it's not the computer...it's just whatever happens to tick him off and that can be anything.

His solution was to turn off the computer and he'd turn off the TV and we'd visit together. Ha! I can't think of any thing I'd rather not do. My solution was that I'd be courteous to him, and he is to be courteous to me and otherwise we leave each other alone. Certainly not what I'd hoped for in life, but after 11 years, nothing's going to change and we've got two little ones to raise the best we can.

I guess you could say I flapped.
37,967 posted on 10/31/2002 8:11:08 AM PST by 2Jedismom
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To: ksen
Actually the Powerpoint presentation is for work. The Arabic is for school. Yes, I am actually working a full time job, a part time job, and going to school full time. The cats are feeling very ignored.
37,968 posted on 10/31/2002 8:11:42 AM PST by carton253
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To: Corin Stormhands
Yeah... sounds good except for the candy. We neither ask nor give candy on Halloween. Instead my family is going to see VeggieTales and I'm going to DB class.

Unfortunately people think that just because it's Halloween and I'm wearing a cape I'm in a costume.

Anyway, I am so ready to write!

37,969 posted on 10/31/2002 8:12:14 AM PST by JenB
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To: Corin Stormhands
I don't think they specified, did they?

I thought it was in the FAQ. Or why do they have your time zone in your profile?

37,970 posted on 10/31/2002 8:12:38 AM PST by Overtaxed
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To: ksen
he must be near since we are less than 50 posts out from a triple-Precious....

One of those dratted elves called a council meeting...lasted two hours...grumble, grumble, grumble...

37,971 posted on 10/31/2002 8:14:02 AM PST by Corin Stormhands
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To: Overtaxed
It's your own personal time zone. And I'm on "magic standard time" which means midnight is at 9 Eastern.... *gryn*
37,972 posted on 10/31/2002 8:15:47 AM PST by JenB
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To: Overtaxed
I'll have to see what TCM is showing tonight.

Probably a Young Frankenstein night at our house. May also catch the first part of Rocky Horror Picture Show if it's on...

37,973 posted on 10/31/2002 8:18:02 AM PST by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
American Government 1 for me...
37,974 posted on 10/31/2002 8:19:23 AM PST by carton253
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To: carton253
So you're saying, you're going to be taking a nap? Or is that the class with the evil professor?
37,975 posted on 10/31/2002 8:20:54 AM PST by JenB
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To: JenB
We neither ask nor give candy on Halloween.

I'm cool with that. My wife will take the boys to the Fall Festival at church. We'll hand out candy and the boys may go around in the neighborhood. We have some fun with the fantasy stuff, but nothing too spooky.

But I can respect those who avoid it altogether.

37,976 posted on 10/31/2002 8:21:50 AM PST by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
Dad is rather against it - well, ok, he calls it "Satanfest". We just avoided the whole thing by going out for a family night. Certain places are fairly deserted, like movie theaters, and they'd usually get us ice cream or something, not candy though...

Hey, wait a minute - my "Posts" list say this thread has 37242 posts and that I was replied to at post 37976. Huh?

37,977 posted on 10/31/2002 8:25:12 AM PST by JenB
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To: Corin Stormhands
Hey, they got the "stop paying for terrorists" thread out of the Hole! I guess they had bigger fish to fry yesterday.

We're going trick or treating as soon as Steve gets in. Matthew is a police officer and Joshua is some kind of race car driver or something. (It was a cool costume). My dad will take us around his neighborhood in his golf cart.

I'm a slave driver when it comes to trick or treat. We hit one neighborhood after another. I decided that we're not doing any fall festivals this year. They make you play games and such to earn your candy and take up too much time and effort. LOL I'm terrible, I know.
37,978 posted on 10/31/2002 8:25:43 AM PST by 2Jedismom
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To: JenB
No, the liberal teaches American Government 1... He's okay, now that we've come to an understanding. If he spouts any democratic propaganda, he's going to be hearing from me. Now, it's a huge challenge for him. He likes to bait me... and I bait him right back.

The evil professor is the one teaching the History of Terrorism class. I don't know why he has singled me out for humiliation on a regular basis, but I'm never going to get that upset again. It's not worth it. Besides, as all my Hobbit friends have told me... success is the best revenge. I plan to be successful. I need to realize that even professors can be jerks.

Last night was English... great time.

37,979 posted on 10/31/2002 8:27:31 AM PST by carton253
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To: carton253
Why are you taking a History of Terrorism class anyway?
37,980 posted on 10/31/2002 8:28:48 AM PST by JenB
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